Comfort is the Enemy with Scott Ballard

Josh: 0:02

Good day fellows. Welcome to uncensored advice for men. Josh here, we have a returning champion. He's kind of like my big brother wearing the same hat as me, but he's on west coast, east coast. So somehow he wound up way over there, fellas. Let's welcome, Mr. Scott, back to the show, Mr. Ballard, Scott Ballard. Welcome back.

Scott: 0:22

Thank you, Josh. I'm excited to be here today and, uh, just, it's always good to be with you. Um, kindred spirits. You know, we're connected. So it's beautiful.

Josh: 0:32

There's a few years age difference between us. However, I feel like we're, we're, we're twin brothers in some ways, in some ways either. Um, that's

Scott: 0:40

good for you. Thank you for saying that though. Thanks.

Josh: 0:45

You're welcome. You're welcome. That's that's a, that's a job over here. Um, if, if guys want to go back and hear their story, uh, we did an interview maybe a year ago. And, uh, you know, you went from disability to superpower, built. Some companies sold them. Now you spend a lot of time encouraging men and building up guys, and, and there you're exploring all sorts of stuff on how to lift up dudes, but we've got to, and, um, you know, this is a very raw show, uh, and, um, guys out there I might want. This may be a little bit of a heavy conversation. Scott you're you're in the middle. And I, and I'm I assuming, you know, no holds bar on our conversations here with the guys, but you're in the middle of a situation. That's a, that's a little heavy that's causing a lot of introspection. And, uh, you said you wanted to, you know, talk about it here on the show. So, you know, what are you, what are you currently working on? What are you currently dealing with?

Scott: 1:37

Yeah, well, I think it's more what I'm thinking about and what Dodger's really showing me. And, and that's the idea of how do we finish strong in the things that most there most important in our life. And those are only a couple of things, but, and, and then being aware of that, and then what are we doing? Uh, what are the choices, decision, discipline habits that we're doing that will take us to this, a place of finishing strong or well with our life in our life. Um, and particularly for me, it's how do I finish? Well inside of what God has, uh, put me here to do. Um, because, so what happens now? This is I'm going to get a little hot here, but what happens that I see at my age, I'll be 63 this summer is that there's a lot of guys in their thirties, forties, and even their fifties that are really doing well and, and, and are effective in their, in their faith, their business, their family, their marriage, all these things. But if you notice there's, there's just a serious face. Uh, in 60 seventies, eighties and nineties. And, um, as I've observed my mom, who's 89, you know, kind of coming to the end of her life and her amazing ability to finish strong, like in the things that are valuable, like your, her faith, her family or friendships. Um, wow. I it's really kind of raised the ball. And I think as men, we, we think it's over. If we retire, we sell the company or, or we cash out or we're 65. And so we are done. So the world told us we're done or the government or, or our financial planner or whatever. Um, I think that's a lie. I don't think that's the plan for any of us. I think the plan is that we live full out until our last. Um, and do we ever talk about this demand ever talk about that? Do we have a process or a strategy or somebody that says, what are you doing to finish strong? Is there somebody holding you accountable, asking you the questions of, um, are you raising the bar or if you lowered the bar to just quit online? And I'm at the age where I have a lot of people that I know that have retired in the traditional American sense. And I see most of them struggling deeply.

Josh: 4:27

Well,

Scott: 4:28

I kind of rip the band-aid off that.

Josh: 4:31

Well, you're going through a situation where you're, you're getting older, but you're still a young chap, right? Your, your, your mother is getting up there in our age and you have seen her as an example of what it's like to live. Yeah, well, right. And you see her finishing strong, but she's not yet done. Right? She's she's still there. Yeah. Um, first of all, Love you, buddy. How's that? How's that affecting you? I mean, I know it's causing some introspection and some questions about, you know, like your coaching practice and finishing strong and inspiring others to do that. But like, what other ways is this, this situation impacting you before we, we ripped off the bandage and we, we, you know, we, you know, go down that route. What else? How else is it affecting you?

Scott: 5:18

Well, I th I think it, it it's caused me to re evaluate. And I'll give one scenario, Josh, cause we've talked a lot about this and, and I can go into more detail, but, but I think it's, it's, it's changed the way I, I advise or coach or lead people and figuring, helping them investing much deeper to helping them figure out what's really important. And what are you doing about that? And getting rid of all the other distracted. And it's not for me to decide, but it's for me to ask the question, uncover, make it uncomfortable. If it needs to be like, okay, how do you want this to end? And what really, what do you want people? How do you want people to be influenced and impacted as you take your last, last breath? That's it? I mean, it's, it's serious. Conversation, but it's also the license to really live all that.

Josh: 6:29

Wow. I'm taking

Scott: 6:31

your question or

Josh: 6:32

not. Yeah. Well, I'm taking a lot of notes because you know, you, you mentioned, you know, we've had many conversations and, and when you scooped into my life, I was going through a really, really dark time in my life. You know, dad died bankruptcy, uh, moved back in with mom and dad had to put a dog down, got surgery that year. Uh, like a bunch of things kind of piled on in the middle of a pandemic. Right? So, um, you scooped in, and your, some of the things you told me were like, you're, God's favorite, you know? And I'm like, why what's that even mean? You know, God loves you and I'm not going to be surprised when you hit to the top. And you know, like, this is a part of the story and the journey it's not over yet. And these are text messages and phone calls you would give to me. And you kind of scooped in and lifted me up out of massive darkness, right? Like you were among a few who were there for me. And I appreciate that. And yeah. So when, when I'm having conversations with you, I spent a lot of time writing notes, one, cause you're older than me and wiser. The main you've lived, keeps

Scott: 7:33

saying I'm older than you. Well, I don't want people to say a couple of,

Josh: 7:39

I don't want that because if they look at us, I don't want them to be like, oh, Josh is getting old, you know? Um, but you know, like some of the things that I wrote down when you were. Talking in, in our, our initial conversation, you know, finishing strong, you know, what that means is dying, right? Like to finish strong is to die. Right. Like I don't think I wake up and I was a firefighter medic and I've seen a lot of death and got it tattooed on my leg. Right. Like I I've seen it. I've experienced it. I've held people's hands and their last breath. I wish I would have. I, you know, please tell so-and-so right. Like we've seen that, but to finish strong means to die. Like in my twenties, thirties, forties. I really didn't think about it much as I'm getting older. I'm starting to think of death a little bit more. Do you find that happening, uh, in your coaching clients in your own life and how does that impact us as guys to think about

Scott: 8:32

death? Yeah, so, so I think what it does, Josh, and thank you for putting that, bringing that up. I think what it does is it gives us the internal motivation. To really decide on a few things to really live for and get rid of all the rest of the garbage. It gives us clarity. It's actually a gift because there is a deadline, there's a deadline and we can do so much more working against a deadline then working against the lie that we're just going to live forever. Whereas we're never going to really be at the future. Well, well, that's a lie. I mean, my high school job was working at a funeral and picking up bodies with my best friend. His dad owned the funeral. I mean, I mean, it was a reality, you know, in the small town I knew the people or I knew knew of who they were. So, so I think, I think, I think understanding death facing it, wrestling with it brings that deadline, which then helps you discern. The two or three or four things that your life is really going to stand for and you're committed to, and you're going to stick with, for a lifetime. It's a gift if we see it that way. But so many men in particular don't want to ever have that conversation or go there or think about it because down underneath that, they are scared to death of getting old and dying.

Josh: 10:03

Now I might be a weird, a weird guy.

Scott: 10:06

It, well, anybody's listened to

Josh: 10:09

this for a while. Would probably agree with me. I don't fear death. Like, like once I, you know, the lights out, I'm done, I'm going to heaven. Right? Like I love Jesus and I'm going to heaven. Um, I fear a few things before death. I fear suffering for me or loved ones. Yeah. Not death itself, but the process of death dying, I fear dying, not death. Um, and you say wrestling with death, like what do you mean wrestling with death? Like in my twenties, thirties, maybe early 40, um, just, I just turned 40. I was invincible. I would look back at some pictures and some dumb things I did and some memories I was hanging out with some friends. Hey Josh, do you remember when you did this? And I was that guy who was like, oh, you're here, hold my drink. Let me do it. I can't believe I'm alive. First of all, but second, like wrestling with death. It wasn't even in my mind until I started seeing it as a medic. And then I was just like, ah, that's just them. Not me. When dad died, it came real. When a friend died from suicide came real. When a fellow firefighter died, it came real. Now I'm like, holy shit. Death is real. Let's wrestle with it. So let's, let's wrestle with death here. What are your thoughts on this whole wrestling with death?

Scott: 11:26

Well, well, I think wrestling with death, to me as I've, as I've gone through this season right now, wrestling with death is the reality that our time here to do the things that we say are important or that we're we've made commitments to is very limited. And you can't do a million things. You can really. Uh, just do a couple things. So it's coming to grips with that, that you only have so many hours, days, minutes left and that's it. So what are you going to do? Right. And it forces you to face us, like looking in the mirror and going, you know, I got three years, 17 days and 23 hours. Okay. So, so what am I, how am I going to invest today?

Josh: 12:23

In mortality or the thought that, you know, the thought that we may live forever, like forces us to not value the time that we have today. If we knew we had to talk the ticking time bomb, right? Like you're, you're all, everything's all good. And one day you get a headache, you go to the doctor and he's like, you got three months to live. Right. But thank God it hasn't happened to me. But like, Oh, wow. What's important. You start peeling away. Everything else that's not important, right? Because you have a ticking time bomb. I might not live past three. Okay. You start recording videos for your kids. You start, you know, thinking about like what they need in life. And you're like doing that. But if I don't have that ticking time bomb, those things are not even in my mind,

Scott: 13:06

I'm sleep walking through life.

Josh: 13:08

I'm sleep, walking through

Scott: 13:08

life. Yeah. There's no sense of urgency to do the most important thing today, which may be hugging my wife, which may be walking my dog, which may be sitting alone in my truck at the stadium talking to God. Yeah. Okay. So that was today. So I'm, I'm being a little transparent here, but do you see what I'm saying? And until we get raw and real about that, we sleepwalk I'll do it tomorrow. I'll do it next week. I'll get around to all change that habit. That's killing me emotionally, spiritually, relationally next year. Yeah. Next year, Nick tomorrow, tomorrow is not your. Hmm, listen, there is no tomorrow guarantee if we understand scripture and we believe that to be true, that is not guaranteed. And that is actually none of our business, our businesses present. And today we can't change the past and I have no control over tomorrow, no matter how, how much I've set my life up. And we've talked about this Josh tomorrow, buddy. Don't believe that. You have right now and you better figure out you better darn well figure out right now, two or three things that are really going to matter for attorney that you're going to do today. Yeah. Today, period. Right. Period. And at my age, in fact, me and mom were talking about this yesterday at my age. Like we were both saying like, we could both be gone tomorrow. Like that's not out of the question of. She's 80 and I I'm 62, uh, you know, for her and for me, but I mean, really we're honest and we live that way. If we really have trust in God and we've really believe him and really have committed to him that if it happens, the fee, it's the reward, it's the whatever, but it should be the energy. It should be the motivation today to live for today with no regrets. Josh. We've got to live today and put our head on the pillow tonight. If God gives us that and look back and go, I did two or three things that are finishing strong today. Like, I don't care whether you're 21. You don't know. Yeah. Go, go to the children's hospital here in our city. I mean, I grew up there and I'm like the little guy, seven years old and dying. Yeah. That's. What am I doing? Sleepwalking? Why am I walking around? Like, I'm going to live in this state for a million years.

Josh: 16:04

You know how that catches up on me. And I believe that there's, there's times to unplug your brain there's times to, uh, rest and relax. But I, I was playing with my kid. They went to bed and I pulled out my phone, right? Like we play video games sometimes and we joke around and such. And I pulled out my phone. I'm I'm 40 years old and I was playing a game, a kid's game. And I was, I was spending money on it and I'm like, w like I looked down and it was like an hour and a half later. My wife's sitting next to me and I just wasted an hour and a half. And I think 30 bucks on a game. And I was just like, what a freaking waste. Um, I was addicted to this thing because they play their marketing. Right. They're, they're genius on how to get my attention and get me to open my wallet. And I was doing it for my kids, but they weren't even there, but I was wasting time and money. I was wasting resources when I had. Beautiful bride. Sit next to me for 13 years. Right? She's been with me for 18 years and here I am playing on some stupid thing. I deleted off my phone. I don't have self-control. It has to either be out of the house or I'm going to play it, or like, you know, I'm not very good at saying stop. I could say no, I can't say stop. Wow. I just, I just went on a rampage or like a rambled for a little bit, but how do we, how do we, I don't want to live in an urgent state where I always feel like my. My endocrine and my, whatever, my, uh, stress. And, um, what does that service call cortisol? I don't want to live in a constant thing where I feel like I'm always on high alert, but what are some things where instead of maybe living urgently live intentionally, like what are some things that you can teach us as a coach to go, all right, urgency, let's put that maybe over here, but intentionally we dive in. How could I do that?

Scott: 17:51

Yeah. And this is, this is not probably going to be new for everybody, but Josh, you know, this, and this has really changed who I am. 15, 20 years ago. I started getting up really early and I just slowed down before God. The word questions, prayers. Uh, worship music, journaling, God, what are you saying? And tr you know, no other distractions for an hour and a half, two hours. Now I'm not religious. I'm not fanatical. Like if I miss a day or I'm traveling or whatever, I'm not, I'm not saying that, but that's how you. Live, not out of panic, but out of purpose, that's how you live, not out of panic and you watch people they're living out of panic, but when you connect with God and he's your source and whatever, he slows you down and says, Scott, here's your purpose to that? You're going to talk with Josh. Here's here's, here's what I'm going to put on your heart, mind and soul to speak to Josh, but, but to speak to Josh is. Like, this is what they need to hear, right? This is not new. This is not whatever, but if I start with him and, and that is my priority, that is my focus. That is my intention. It's interesting. When you spend time with God, Josh, you slowed down and what's really important, becomes clear and much more easy to do and to be man, there's no shortcut to that. The longer I'm with him. The longer I do this, the more mornings that I do this, the more I can live and finish strong because I'm actually living in partnership with him and he desires to have my last days be a representation of his goodness and love and kindness.

Josh: 20:08

Scott it's one of those things that it's like working out or eating. You know, like I know I should work out. I know I should eat. Right. I know I shouldn't drink too much smoke too much cuss, too much. Do whatever too much. I know that I should spend time with God, you know, wake up early, get my head. Right. Meditate, pray, journal, read the Bible. I don't, I love God, but I don't

Scott: 20:34

like how 'cause because you, you you're going to do it someday. Yeah tomorrow. So, so the reality is as much as you're comfortable or you say you're comfortable with death or the idea that you have a limited time to actually do the work that God put you here, you don't fully believe that yet.

Josh: 20:58

You know what it is? I think so. Yes. Yes. And I'm too comfortable when I was going through the darkest. First of all I wasn't sleeping, but if I'm going to be up at four in the morning, I might as well read, pray when, when my mind is being tormented, um, I'm thinking about God and I want to escape the pain now that the pain has subsided after, you know, bankruptcy, death, and all that other things. And I've got extra money in the bank. And now that I'm back on my. Mentally now that I have business partners and investors and clients, I have more security and stability. I know what the next X months look like. I'm not worried about the first and the 15th. Like I was in the past. I sleep better and I also sleep in better and I also don't need. God as much as when I was hurting. And, and that's sad to say, but in admit, but I think many guys in the audience would also raise their hand, say, yeah, I'm with you on this. I'd like to, because I do love God deeply. I am a child. I am chosen. I am like king here, but man, I'm having a hard time acting like a king. I'm having a hard time spending time with the king because it's not a priority. And, um, you know, I'm just trying to be honest here. How do I be intentional about.

Scott: 22:25

So the greatest weapon that the enemy has and, and in America today is comfortability. Yeah, totally. So we don't see that as, uh, a deception, uh, being deceived. We're deceived that that is actual comfort where, where the truth is the only real comfort and peace and joy is from being with. Yeah. So you have to exchange the comfort of the world, a bank account, a business, a title, a whatever, for the comfort of God. Yeah. Comfort. The great it's the great exchange comfort is the enemy of walking and finishing strong with God and, and the Western world today,

Josh: 23:20

man. And it's. Not just religious, right? Like there might be a guy who's like ready to tune this out. And he's like, listen, I don't believe in God. And the atheist or whatever, whatever, like, yeah.

Scott: 23:31

I respect that

Josh: 23:32

comfort is also the enemy

Scott: 23:33

of growth. Oh yeah. Yeah. Comfort is the enemy of everything that God wants to do in your life, whether you recognize God or not. But if

Josh: 23:44

God were like this magic genie who could just snap his fingers, wouldn't he want us to be comfortable with. What did he want us to like, okay, dang it, man. I got a grind every single day to figure out my life, my relationship with my wife. I got to figure out how to not yell at my kids or whatever I am in constant discomfort. Right. And I got it pretty easy. Like wouldn't God, just a loving God. Heavenly father just wanted to like snap his finger and make me come from.

Scott: 24:13

And what do we know about the longer we're comfortable? What do we know about how that does? What that, uh, that the effect that has in our life? Oh, bro, I get lazy. We grumble, we complain. We get lazy. We make bad choices. Yeah. Comfort. Isn't your friend. Yeah, no. And your comfort, when you get your comfort from God, then you're able to go out and stretch and do the work that God has given only you can do Josh only you can do what you do, but it will, it will only feel like it will only feel like you're really living and finishing strong. If the sources him. Yeah, it gives the sources. You, then we end up feeling like all we're doing is grinding and what is this all about? And I just want to retire and play golf. As somebody said to me the other day, I just want, I'm going to retire and play golf. I'm selling both companies I'm done. And I'm like, okay, what does God say about that? He wasn't really pleased with my questions. You know, he hated me in the moment. And two days later he sends me any amount of his like crap. I've settled, settled, I've quit. Even though I love God, even though I'm committed to this, I've realized that I have bought the lie. That golf is, is that my future? I'm not against golf. That's not the point. The point is, is that really God's best for you?

Josh: 25:56

You know, I think we chase as guys. I chase, we chase and I've done this and I'm guilty of it. And I really had to go through counseling, coaching therapy, work with guys like you to rewire my brain. And it took a long time to rewire this, but like this idea of retirement for me, I sat with an old guys worth millions and millions of dollars. He's my, one of my mentors. And he says, there's a few words that are not in my dictionary. Retirement is not in my dictionary. He goes, I went to the dictionary and I scratched it out. And I was like, what do you mean? Like that's the American dream work, 30 years get a retirement that I could fish and golf and do whatever the heck I want all day. How's the American dream dangerous. How has that idea of retirement dangerous? You, you just said a guy builds, a company, sells a company and then he's miserable. Like some of the guys you coach, like what, why that's what we're chasing. That's what we're trying to get to

Scott: 26:56

because it's not what God's chasing it. It's not the purpose of your life. Where does it say in the Bible? Where does it talk about.

Josh: 27:05

The only place I see it is with priest in the old Testament when they work a certain amount of years and they set aside a certain amount and then they hand over the mantle to younger priests. That's the only place I see it. And I'm not a theology. I don't, I'm not a scholar, but that's the only place I've

Scott: 27:23

seen it. Okay. Okay. And so. W how many places do we see that we're to live with intention and purpose to do God's will. And how many times do we see in the scripture that as we get older and wiser, we actually have a greater responsibility to pour, serve and show the next generation how to finish strong in their, in their life. Exactly. Yeah. That's, that's

Josh: 27:51

the, that's the challenge that I think us guys have is we want easier in the future. So we work to invest into comfort, right? 401k. Dishwasher that does everything for me, laundry that does everything for me, bring on a maid, bring on a nanny. So everything we're doing is try to make more comfortable. We're invested in comfort. So that way, when we get 60 seventies, eighties, nineties, we don't have to work as hard or as much you're saying quite the opposite. Not, not, not to have a dishwasher, but we fade in our sixties, starting in our sixties and we start lowering the bar. This is one of the first things you said. Instead, we should be focused on how to actually raise the. Through til the end, is that what I hear a hundred

Scott: 28:30

percent, a hundred percent. This is the greatest season of my life to do what God made me to do. And I actually now have perspective experience and wisdom to actually have impact and influence that actually is sustainable and can actually be lived out by people. I didn't have that at 40. Okay. So the reality is this is in God's plan. This is the most important day of my life. It's all been building up to this point. And if I, if I don't, if I don't believe that, if I don't know that if I, if I'm not living into that, then all I care about is I have 136 days to my retirement party. And. And then I get it's all about me, the rest of my life. Well, anybody that knows anybody that it's all about them, they're the most miserable people in the world. Totally, totally. This is probably not going to be a really popular podcast. I apologize, Josh.

Josh: 29:42

You know what? I think that, I think that this will ring true. Maybe not with the masses. This show is not for the masses. This show is for dudes, which automatically eliminates a bunch of haters and a bunch of people who aren't like me and a bunch of people who don't believe that there is such thing of a man. So this, this, this show is sometimes polarizing. So I didn't start the show to create popularity in high fives. I created this to, as I was going through shit, I wanted to share it with other dudes like me. So, you know, when I was standing on a bridge, I'm going, gonna kill myself. God worked in my life and through other people. That's the purpose of this show. So if people don't like me, I've got to get over that. Sorry. People out there who had to can't even see or touch, or you don't pay my bills. Sorry. I not making you happy right now. I love you still. Um, Scott, as you're, as you're doing this. Live unintentional. How are you, how are you raising your bar every day? You're 63 cashed out of business. You've got some money in the bank. You've got a cool hat, right? Like you don't need to show up and work from our past conversations. Sorry if I'm sharing too much, but you choose to, and you choose to do coaching. Like why?

Scott: 31:00

Well, first and foremost, I believe that way back in the beginning of my life. What happened to me and I was seven years of age actually was the precursor or the preparation or the practice for what I'm to do now. So all that's happened up to this point has been practice and preparation through me to actually do the greatest work, have the most influence and impact. And I'm talking about from God's perspective. And, and in leaders' lives and business owners lives and entrepreneurs lives like I, I have, I've been given the gift of God to say things to leaders that everybody else is afraid to say. I, I, I'm not in a popularity contest that the, that the people that I work with or don't work with or whatever. That they like me or dislike me. I'm in the contest of impacting and influencing them to realize that God is doing something in their life and it's more and bigger than they realize. And I'm in a provoke them to think about it. I don't know if that answers your question, but,

Josh: 32:22

but wow. Is it so vital, right? Like you've had some pain as a kid you've overcome disabilities and, um, major challenges in your world. You rose to the top, you exited on the top. Why go and get your hands dirty.

Scott: 32:39

But Josh it's because it's not about me. It's about them. The person I follow Jesus died for everybody. Yeah. I mean, this is my belief like, uh, so he did so I'm to emulate I'm to live in that fashion. And this is my moment to live in that fashion. It's about the guy that's listening to this podcast. That's on the edge that is, is, is drowning and comfortability right now. And this has God speaking. Saying come out, realize you're on a timeline and start doing the things that really are important that are going to matter. So you can finish strong. Well done. Good. And faithful servant is my motivation because Josh tomorrow morning, that could be me. Either. I believe that. And I actually lived that out by the way, the choices I make or I don't believe it. And I go, you know what, uh, I've got a tee time tomorrow at 6:00 AM,

Josh: 33:52

man. That's a, that's a tough choice. It is. It is. Yeah. And other guys out there, I know they're not in their head too. And you know, what's funny. I even have some female listeners who write in and who's like, Hey, I heard your message on this. I'm like, oh gosh, I'm sorry. Uh, so Scott let's let's do this, man. I think that this is a good place to pause for guys and go introspective. You know, if guys are digging deep and they're like, I need to wrestle with this and I need someone to kind of ask me some tough questions, maybe hold me accountable, maybe challenge me. Right. What's a good place for, for dudes to reach out and connect with you.

Scott: 34:34

Yeah. I'm at confidence coach.org, and you can reach there, um, reach out to me if you know, we're, you know, and you, Josh, you know, this better than most. I'm not the dude for everybody. Like I, I have learned and I'm learning every day. There's a unique person that I serve and that I can really help. Um, so, you know, if this resonates with you great. If it doesn't, don't do not like there's, there's somebody else. That's all I'm saying. Didn't don't don't yeah, don't worry about that. What questions

Josh: 35:14

should I have asked you in this interview or. That I completely

Scott: 35:17

screwed up and didn't ask you. Yeah, I think the question about how my mom has really been the living example as of today. Of what we're talking about on this podcast about finishing strong, being consistent, being persistent and not being distracted by the comfort of the world. Now I'm all for going to vacation in Hawaii. Like I, I'm not talking about living like a martyr, but I'm talking about intentionality focus for the longterm.

Josh: 36:00

Yeah, that's true. Um, any other things that, um, we should dive into Scott? Or do you think we should go till on the next one? We'll we'll dive into other topics.

Scott: 36:10

What do you think? Well, I do want to say this, if we're still on, I do want to say, um, if you know, Josh or listening to Josh podcast, you know, the work he's doing or whatever Josh is through. Like me and Joseph talked about pretty much everything. A dude, two dudes get talk about, even though he's 40 weeks younger than me, we still, we, we, we are very kindred spirits. Like we get each other and we're very honest with each other. So if you're following him, if you're listening to him, keep doing it. If it's uncomfortable and you feel awkward with his podcast, with his approach or whatever, that's probably God working. To change something in your life. Like don't run from uncomfortability, don't run from the awkwardness of this podcast or what Josh. I mean, I, I just think I needed to say that, so,

Josh: 37:06

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