A Chat with Top Gears Stig Perry McCarthy

Josh Wilson
 Welcome. Uncensored advice for men. Men, we wanted to have a chat with someone from across the pond. You may have seen him on TV. You may have cheered him on as he drives really fast. Perry, welcome to the show. 

 perry mccarthy
 Great to be here, Josh. Thanks for inviting me on. 

 Josh Wilson
 Yeah, man. So, as we're getting started, why don't you give us a few bullets of who you are and maybe some of the things you've accomplished? 

 perry mccarthy
 Optimist, dreamer. So, kicked off with the idea of wanting to be a racing driver when I was 18 years old. Very cleverly. Realized immediately I needed money, which most people had already worked out. I went to work on North York for two years to get the money together, to then come in and follow Dream, basically. I did pretty well to kick off with, to be quite honest, I had to because with my oil rig money, if that had gone, there would have been no Dream. The dream on the track was to keep winning the dream off the track was to keep trying to finance it and finding sponsors and getting people interested in the press and everything else. The adventure was both on and off the circuit as I kept trying to make headways against the odds. I then came up through Formula Three, had success there, international Formula 3000, which is known as Formula Two nowadays. 

 perry mccarthy
 I come over to your stretch, had two wonderful years racing in America that went very well for me, and then finally got my dream of going into Formula One motor racing. The bad part of that dream was I was with the worst team of all time. You can easily reference that came out, that went to then sportsgo racing. Lamar Seabring, back to your neck of the woodsbased, owner, led loads and loads of fun, wrote my autobiography about it all, just to give you a tip about the career. It's called Flat Out Flat Pro, so you'll get a rough idea of the problems involved there. It was actually at the book launch that Jeremy Clarkson was there, and that's how Top Gear came back on air. That is how I became the Stick. Nowadays, I give lots of art for dinner speeches or motivational and inspirational speeches to corporations all the way around the world. 

 perry mccarthy
 You can book me for birthdays bar, mixers and parties. 

 Josh Wilson
 Awesome. All right, where does the nickname The Stig come from? Give us the background on that. 

 perry mccarthy
 You're joking. I'm happy about that one because the original Stig, okay me, was all in black. When I met with Jeremy Clarkson, Jeremy said, Right, you're going to wear black boots, black overalls, black gloves, a black crash on it, a black vision, and we're going to call you The GIMP. The GIMP? Yeah. And I said, no, you're not. And they were really serious about it. I said, Listen, boys, I happen to have seen Pulp Fiction. I'm not going to be called The GIMP. Anyway, they finally got the clue on that one and then basically turned it around and said, Begin. Quick story. Jeremy andy Wilson, the sewage producer, lifelong friends, went to the same school called Reptile, which is a private school, and they did lots of horrible things to the incumbents there. Like the old was it Tom Brown school days, where they beat the living daylights out, the new kids, made them boots, and because they're so useless, they had a nickname for them and they called them Stigs because Jeremy, this racing drivers have got no real value in the world. 

 perry mccarthy
 He thought, Steve. I went, do you know something? I like the gank and it's a lot better than the GIMP. So that's how went with it. 

 Josh Wilson
 So let me ask a question. If you would have went with a GIMP, when you raise up your visor, did you have a rubber ball in your mouth or something? That's so crazy. 

 perry mccarthy
 All right, but it goes a bit further because they said to me, you can't tell anyone. So I said, well, I've shaken hands. I'm not going to tell anybody. It needs to be a secret. Who is the stick? They said, well, you can't tell anybody. I said, I just said that. I said, well, actually, no, I'm going to have to tell my wife Karen. They said, no, you can't tell Karen. So I said, no. Trust me, boys. I said, Trust me, boys, I'm really going to have to tell Karen. They said, no, you can't tell Karen. I said, no, really, I'm going to have to tell her. They said, Why? I said, Boys, on a filming day, you try sneaking out of the house at 06:00 in the morning just for mental foot in black leather and then saying, don't worry, Donna, you should go around midnight. 

 perry mccarthy
 But nothing's going on. They said, I see your point. You can sell Carol. 

 Josh Wilson
 You can tell Carol. Hey, sweetheart, I'll be right back. Why are you wearing you forgot your whip in the closet. All right, so they agreed to this. So you are undercover, right? Like, how long did you go without being known? 

 perry mccarthy
 Not long. It's really funny, actually, because I've got bow legs. I was recording in London, bandy legs. I always used to stand around that circuit if something was going wrong. I always had my arms crossed like that because so much in my career had gone wrong. Even I made it to F one. So be standing like that. I don't know if you guys get a show called Wheeler Dealers out. 

 Josh Wilson
 In America, maybe I'm not familiar with it, okay. 

 perry mccarthy
 There's a pretty well known TV presenter and after the first show, he seemed me standing there. He just sent me a text saying, Morning, Fig. Anyway, we played it down. Seriously, by the end of the first series, top Gear had fired somebody in this production department and very few people actually knew that. They had gone to the newspapers, obviously got a bundle of cash for that. We kind of played it all down. Again, the question I mean, were amazed with Top Gear because we kicked it off. It went into 215 different territories and the question of who is the stig? Became one of the top ten questions asked on the internet. I was just behind. There a god and am I pregnant? 

 Josh Wilson
 Well, is there a God? Are you pregnant? And who is the stake? Maybe it's all three. Right. 

 perry mccarthy
 I'm going to ask that. I've never thought of that joke. 

 Josh Wilson
 Yeah. So, Perry, as you're going through this, a few things before we hit record, you said, hey, are you close to steep break? I'm like to be honest, man, I have no clue. Directions in me are terrible. You said, Me too, and that blew my mind. You're a professional driver and you're not good at directions. 

 perry mccarthy
 Josh, we've got the advantage on you. You get to the end of a straight and there's a turning board that says go that way. Basically, if you keep doing all the right turns, you get straight back to the start finish line where you started. After a while, even I start remembering which route circuit goes around. I think were both agreeing in our chat earlier out on the road or directions. I'm not kidding you. It's like if I say it's left, you can no doubt say it's right. I mean, I've always got this old thing in my mind is that who do you trust when you're driving along, the wife or the sat NAV? I'll give you a tip. Take the question. Take it from the wife, because the sat NAV doesn't have a grudge for 20 years. 

 Josh Wilson
 That's so true, man. So let me ask this question. When you and the wife go for a drive, who drives? 

 perry mccarthy
 Me. 

 Josh Wilson
 Does she ever drive? 

 perry mccarthy
 No. 

 Josh Wilson
 Okay. 

 perry mccarthy
 Now. Karen hates driving me. Yeah. I was going to be quite frank, and Karen is pretty good driver, but I actually just hate being driven by anybody. I just can't stand being driven by somebody. 

 Josh Wilson
 My wife sits in the passenger seat, yet she still drives because she'll tell me what to do. I can see your feet hidden the floorboard. My wife drives even though I'm beyond the steering wheel. You made it right. Like, I got to Formula One and I got all these things you're saying kind of, yeah. You had the sponsors, you were in the spotlight and all this, and you wrote a book called Flatbroke. What was it called? 

 perry mccarthy
 Flat Out Flat Broke. 

 Josh Wilson
 What happened there? 

 perry mccarthy
 Dude, the thing was, I've got a couple of good qualities and some pretty bad ones, but I don't know if this is a good one or not, really. If I want to do something I'm not too great at taking no for answer, that was it. It was kind of a relentless issue. The problem with motor racing is it's such a financially dependent so me, other drivers, whatever, might be blooming dirt, but you're restricted unless you've got some kind of sponsorship or backing or opportunity to have the best equipment so you can keep winning or to make a name for yourself so you can jump to the next formula, which becomes even more cubicle expensive. You're trying to make a name, but you've just got to have funding to be able to do it as well. It was hanging on for dear life. I did manage to put some sponsorship deals together. 

 perry mccarthy
 Especially when I was informing a tree. I actually got paid quite well informed a tree. But with that money. And there's a reason for mentioning this. I put that into some property and within a year. That was worth quite a lot more. Which was quite handy. Because the following year. When I needed to go up a level. The markets had collapsed. Businesses were in trouble. There was no sponsorship. I just looked at Karen, just, we need to sign a house to the team that was the next level up. And she did it back in Ireland. Yeah. Okay. It's a shame. So that was it. That was kind of everything that we had and it was back in. I'm not getting the violin out of here. For me, it was totally logical. It was either do that or it was good night to any dream of getting to F One. 

 perry mccarthy
 Then, luckily enough, I managed to make the most of my limited outings in Formula 3000, which is, I say it was a math name that it should have been just called Formula Two. I made the most of that and that was enough to get me out to America. But again I got to America. I didn't have to pay for that drive or arrange sponsorship, but I wasn't being paid. You're going stumbling from one year to another year, trying to even arrange your travel costs and everything else, but at least I didn't have to find sponsorship. The American drive with Spice USA in what's called IMSA, the GTP, the top series, was fabulous. I loved racing in America and I had a lot of supporters back in the UK who were former One press who felt I should already be in F One, so they were able to use those performances to keep my name up there. 

 perry mccarthy
 I've always maintained that in life, in business, in sport, you can actually win even by coming seven. Because if people think that you've got such a bad set of cards, ie. A bad team, no money, no tiles, old engine, everything else, and if you manage to drag that piece of what's it into event name in the international race, they've gone, wow. You're not on the podium, but it's everything to just say, okay, well, unless I got really lucky with something happening in front of me, you're probably saying, I probably can't make the podium. I'm going to try. The next best thing, you're going, wow, I've got this result. That for me, was like it was a lifeline. It was a lifeline that I kept holding onto and one that I did keep creating, but it wasn't an easy ride. I would have much preferred to have had richer parents, which I actually did advertise for. 

 Josh Wilson
 You didn't get adopted. 

 perry mccarthy
 Well, I could have been a loving son, proportional to budget. Hi, Daddy. Right, whatever. It's place. It never happened, so it was a question of just to keep thinking, and I'm like this even now with whatever I'm doing, if there's a problem and there's not like an A to B, how can I get around it? How can I think I can't do it all the time? Honestly? That is what I spend my life doing, going, how can I still get what I want when I can't get it straight away? And I'm going around the house? I think, I'll do that, I'll do that. Keeps me active. Josh, honestly. Yeah. 

 Josh Wilson
 How old are you? 

 perry mccarthy
 I'm 61. 

 Josh Wilson
 Awesome. Let me ask you some personal questions, right? You're famous guy and you've done some incredible things, and you're an author and a speaker. Now, you travel around speaking and encouraging and building companies and building people. Right? On the personal side, when you're a race car driving, do you listen to the radio? Do you turn on because you're over in the UK? Do you listen to you too, or the Beatles or something while you're driving? 

 perry mccarthy
 Well, I'd be more tempted to listen to the Beatles than you, too, to be quite frank. Sorry about that's, just how it is. But, the funny thing is that I just don't tend to listen to the radio, because I like to listen to the tiles, the engine, other cars around me. I'm doing two things here, is that I am concentrating on the road. I'm concentrating on what's going on ahead of me. I'm not trying to stand, like, really two shoes here, because, believe me, I've had quite a number of conversations with the police over here. But that's just how I drive. I'm driving like that. I'm also sometimes thinking about something else. Not to the extent I'm distracted from the road, so I just don't need anything else going on. I don't enjoy listening to the radio in the car. 

 Josh Wilson
 Super interesting. When you're driving behind the wheel, what's the fastest you've ever gone? 

 perry mccarthy
 225 miles an hour. And that would be lamont. Were doing that a few different times per lap. But, our race cars are I always feel that the top speed, some people think, oh, that's a high top speed, but you look at the indie boys and they'll be putting 235 or something like that on their ovals. A race car is kind of it's all about the management of air, really. The management of air around it, over it, through it for cooling and underneath it. You've got this enormous downforce, the aerodynamic downforce of our cars, which means you can break so incredibly late and corner so quickly. They're the kind of things that you're trying to always push the boat out on. But it'd be the same. It's the same in any discipline. The boys in NASCAR are pushing the limits to what they've got. Same as boys indie cars, same boys in f one. 

 Josh Wilson
 Yeah, that's super cool. Now, were you ever afraid of that sport and going that fast and then working in Top Gear and doing some of the cool stuff you did there? Like, did fear ever, like, come across your eyeballs where you're like, that doesn't look right, I got to push through that. 

 perry mccarthy
 I've got a story for you about that. In the meantime, and I'm not alone in this, because it was Ed and Santa actually said this, and I kind of subscribed to what it said, is that you kind of do have to have some fear, because if you don't have fear, I just think that you'd be making too many mistakes. Fear is the way of saying, okay, the edge is absolutely here, and you're tiptoeing on the absolute razor blade, etc. But you can't be frightened. You've got to squeeze the fear down. Otherwise, Ian ihill ngbn overcoming Josh, you wouldn't be able to do it, but you certainly have moments where something's happened and you're, jesus Christ, your eyes are like that. We get over it within one of a second. The real quick story is that if you're going along on the road, your heartbeat is probably about 70 beats a minute or something. 

 perry mccarthy
 I bet you and a lot of your listeners or viewers have had exactly the same thing. Somebody's done something dumb and it scared the daylight because it scared you. Your heartbeat being in the car from 70 has now probably bounced up to 190 or 200 or something. Well, that's a big shock, isn't it? Doing that well inside a place car. Our heartbeat is probably 165, 170 already. If you do have a real scale, then it's kind of gone it's up a bit and you can get scared, but you immediately concentrate the game and you're back on it with heartbeats. I set pole position in Belgium one particular time, and I was actually wired up by the Belgian professor of medicine, and he came over to me and he said, for me, you have the record 202 beats a minute on my proposition, lad. The funny thing is, Damon Hill, who was world champion, damon was looking up my shoulder and Damon said, you do realize that a rap's heart beats at 200 a minute, don't you? 

 perry mccarthy
 I went, yeah. So there is that fear. I only had enormous fear once. I had two spectacular accidents, which were both mechanical failures. Probably our biggest fear, to be quite honest, within two days of each other. Nowadays, you'd never be allowed back in the car because I took a bloated head both times. Now I'm going out for my third outing, which was the biggest place of the year, and I didn't know what I was doing. I absolutely didn't know what it was doing. I didn't know kind of where I was almost. I did one nap at 50 miles an hour, came in, my hands totally shaking. I stuck them inside my legs so the team couldn't see. I just sat there for nearly all qualifying, just trying desperately to get my head straight because I was frightened. I was also petrified that my career was over, because if you're frightened, I'd say you're not going to be a lot good as a racing driver. 

 perry mccarthy
 I was kind of thinking, I can't do this, I can't do it. This is probably I got a lot of stories on funds I've really had, but I guess this is probably my favorite. It's completely true. I sat there and, what do you want to do? What do you want to do? I want to be a racing driver. Kept repeating it over and over my head. I couldn't let this happen to me. It was impossible, what I'd already been through. I could not let this happen to me. And then suddenly I felt better. All very dramatic stuff. Just a few minutes of qualifying remaining and I signed the team to go and start the engine. I went out, did one warm up lap, and there was time for one time lap, and I did the lab and I put it on cold position, the fastest out of anybody. 

 perry mccarthy
 I came back into the pit and suddenly all the cloud had descended back on me again. I didn't know what I was doing. I got out of the car, still shaking, and after a while, and believe me, Josh, this is unlike me, actually, I was standing there crying because I didn't know what I was doing. The only time I remember crying was a really good Lassie film. He had a real big rock in his pool. Anybody would have cried at that. But that was the total confusion. I really had to rest for a while to get my head back together. Quite rightly, nowadays, I would never have been allowed to get in that car after a couple of big crashes mid week. 

 Josh Wilson
 Wow, that's super cool, this idea of talking yourself. I had to go out of my office just today and I'm sitting there just like, meditating, praying, and I had to get my head right, because I'm telling you, man, whatever time business you're in, you're going to face challenges and such like that. Helping self talk, I think is important. What made you think to do that, rather than just get out of the car and walk away? 

 perry mccarthy
 Oh, no, that was never going to happen. No, that one was never going to happen. I was just desperate. I was just desperately trying. Honestly, I didn't even know it's the right thing. There was nobody there to advise. I was trying to keep it secret from everybody. That was petrified. It just seemed to me as if I was the only person who could help me. To be honest, I don't know if I got it right or not. I just had that moment in time where I was good enough for one lap and I was really good on that lab, but I don't think there was anything intelligent about it from me. It was sheer bloody minded determination. There's no question about that. And on that particular example, it works. 

 Josh Wilson
 Forgive me, I don't watch a lot of racing. How long are normal races? 

 perry mccarthy
 Well, in Formula One, normally it should be about an hour and a half. Unless there's an accident I mean, you guys get all the time with the yellow flag periods and everything else so they can stretch out. But there is a final limit. 

 Josh Wilson
 He just bought something really big. Maybe he could talk about it later. He's getting all sorts of funny enough. Are you allowed to talk about that? 

 perry mccarthy
 Yeah. 

 Josh Wilson
 Okay, cool. I'll ask you some questions about that in a minute. I'm thinking like an hour and a half. Let's just say you get yellow flag or whatever. How do you keep yourself from p****** yourself? I always wondered, like these race car drivers are in the car all day long or whatever. How do you keep yourself from doing that? 

 perry mccarthy
 From ping? 

 Josh Wilson
 Yeah. 

 perry mccarthy
 I tell you something is that I have added a couple of times when you kind of go, oh, my God, I really want to go. I don't know about you and your viewers and everything else, but it's not the most natural this in the world for me to do to be able to relax enough when I'm in a racing car at high speed to be able to go. I've got a mate on mine. Have you ever heard of Johnny Herbert? 

 Josh Wilson
 I have not. 

 perry mccarthy
 Johnny one free Grand Prix is a very close friend of mine. I don't know what it is with John. He can just go along 190 miles an hour, no problem, just pee himself left, right and center. I do remember and funny enough, it was at SEABREE with you guys. I was in real trouble. Boy, did I get lucky. There was an accident. There was a yellow place period where you're just going and following the pace car slowly. It still took me two laps to be tablet to do that. I had to do that. 

 Josh Wilson
 My wife and I were on a trip and I had to go pee pretty bad. Were stuck on the interstate, so I jumped in the backseat into a bottle. I had stage fright at 5 miles an hour. I can't even imagine at 20 something or 200 miles an hour. So let's. Talk about you're getting all sorts of hits right now for PR and such. You just made a big acquisition. Can you talk about it? What did you just buy? 

 perry mccarthy
 Well, now I've got invested in 50% of a women's football team. Now, it would have been a much bigger investment if it had been called what's called WSL Women's Super League. A, I couldn't really have afforded the top team in there, so B, were only literally a couple of levels below that. So, as we say, a couple of bucks. The opportunity now is to get in there with the team and attract more commercial partners so that we've got better everything. We've got a great corps of girls. There great core of women, I should say. I'm never really sure what age a girl becomes a woman, but they're great players, they're all really determined. I need to be able to give them more of everything to get the best from them, and then we're going to be moving up. That has started taking a lot of my time. 

 perry mccarthy
 It's that opportunity thing, and I don't resent it, but I remember like, it was yesterday when I had literally two cent together for a long period of time. I just want to do something to help these guys, to just say, hey, listen, I know where it's like, here's a bit extra and here's a pathway. In total, our squad, we've actually got 150. I will say girls, because our under 18, under 16, under 14, under twelve teams extend all the way across the county. What we're also providing is a real ladder opportunity for all the young girls who would never in previously have had the chance to be footballers. Not everybody's going to make it, of course, but it's a chance, and it's a chance. I love equality. I love opportunity. I don't like anybody saying no to me or no to other people. That's the new adventure. 

 perry mccarthy
 Josh. 

 Josh Wilson
 That's super cool. Now, you call it football over here. Football is different than football over I. 

 perry mccarthy
 Know there's. 

 Josh Wilson
 Let me ask this question. You wrote a book called Flat Out, Flat Broke because you made it to the top of the leagues and you're racing and you're doing the best you can and you ran up short. Now, this has inspired you, the story that you had through rebuilding and relaunching and regaining your own stuff. Now you're passing this onto these female athletes to be able to do this. When you're looking at them, what are some things that you look for in an athlete who you think is going to make it when you're like, you're the next one? What do you look for in someone? 

 perry mccarthy
 I tell you, it's difficult. There's a place that I noticed at the weekend, and she would, let's say, have a shot at goal. Okay. If she missed, if the bar or if it was saved, she would do this. Okay. And then just walk along like that. The thing is, that ball may be back in play. There's no time to feel sorry, there's no time to pass. It's that alertness opportunity to switch straight back on from something that hasn't gone terribly well. I think that maybe, and I'm very cautious about this, speaking to young ladies about advice from an old racing driver, because it doesn't always translate brilliantly. We've got trainers, we've got coach and stuff like that. I think that if I would cherry pick some of my examples, that would be absolutely one of them is that something goes wrong, you don't mope, you don't just go like that, and it's not working straight back. 

 perry mccarthy
 Where's the next opportunity? And that should be like that. On a race track, on a pitch, sports ground, anything. That is an edge, and that is a kill instinct. And I'm not completely clear. You can totally teach that. You can maybe lift people to get a bit better at it, and then they might get the idea, but some other people actually already got it. That's really the thing where I look at it. My job with these girls is the occasional word of key. Have a goddess. I'm never going to say hit it with the inside of your foot because I don't know what I'm talking about. There are those other things that have been I had a whole bunch of these things, naturally, and there are some things that you learn, but I also had a whole bunch of bad things that maybe it would have been better if I unlearn them. 

 perry mccarthy
 I was slightly impetuous, and because I'm so determined sometimes, it was the big boy maneuver around the outside flat out, and I didn't have to worry about the next curve because I was already in the mall. It was a balancing act. 

 Josh Wilson
 Sure, if I come to visit you or when we hang out next, let's just say I come visit you over there. Where are we going to go for fish and chips and how do you like them done? 

 perry mccarthy
 Oh, London, East End. That's where I'm from. Originally. It was funny because there's a thing called if you born, it within the sound of bowls. In the East End of London, you are officially a cockney. So we say cockney. Okay? When I used to race in America, the announcer would go, there Perrymccarthy Co, a real life company. 

 Josh Wilson
 Do you think? All right, so we got a few minutes left, but one of my favorite movies was, like, back in the day, was like Jason Statham's The Transporter, where he drove a car. He was a bald dude just like you. If you got in a race with them, who's going to win? 

 perry mccarthy
 Well, come on. I mean, if I went in front of the camera or on a stage, who's going to win? It's going to be a much better accident than me, no question. Yeah, some people have got a natural gift for some speed and they've got all the attributes that may be necessary to go further and further. We don't spend years and years doing what we do. It's is to then be totally blown into the weeds by somebody who was an actor. Now I'm going to be a racing driver. Look, I'm 2 seconds. That faster than you end the story. 

 Josh Wilson
 My money is on you, buddy. My money is on you. So we got a few minutes left. Let's do this. As you're going through now, you're doing a lot of public speaking and I asked the Navy Seal this one time, what's scarier a gunfight or public speaking? Let me ask you a similar question for you. What's more frightening, high speed collision or public speaking? 

 perry mccarthy
 High speed collision. Easy. I enjoy having a chat and when I'm on stage, I may have some really serious things to say. Also I've just always enjoyed making people laugh and I like to have a good time myself. That's great. It's been like 1500 appearances now all over the world. Yeah, but your analogy is quite interesting because you don't walk onto the stage just going, oh, this is a breeze. I never do that ever. It is rather like the start of the motor race to me, because I'm thinking I'm prone to I want them to have a great time. I've got to be on my best form and I've got to be ready for a couple of things that you might not have planned for. The heart beats up and I'm focused because I want to win the audience. That is the same thing that I always had with a high speed accident. 

 perry mccarthy
 Again, I don't wish to sound too dramatic because it's the same with a bunch of boys over your ladies, over your stretch of the pond and over here as well. I've been particularly lucky sometimes. Very lucky indeed. I might still limp a bit sometimes when the web is bad, but I can't complain too much. 

 Josh Wilson
 Yeah, well, you're a fascinating person and I love having you on the show. I know you've got a PR thing that you got to hop on with your football team. Besides, where can people connect with you? That will be how we wrap up the final question that I probably should have asked you in this interview that I screwed up and did not ask. 

 perry mccarthy
 I think you've got some really good questions. I think what's on my mind a lot of the time and everybody's built differently. There's one thing you might have a lot of people watching or listening or people you know that are really struggling and they may have found a few times or whatever. And do you know something? Unfortunately, I really understand failure because I felt that quite a lot of things over a period of time, thank goodness. I also understand success. I've done pretty well. Different things at different moments in time, so both those things are in adventure. If you're failing at something, at least you're giving it a bloody good try. You're trying, you're pushing your push. The thing I don't get that I absolutely don't understand is mediocrity. I've got no idea. I'd much rather fail on some endeavor that's got my passcode and I'm really trying, but it's like I can't quite get there. 

 perry mccarthy
 It's going wrong, it's not my first choice, but I'd rather found doing that rather than coast through life by going, who cares? That's just it suits some people, it just doesn't suit me. Maybe some people where they're taking a bit of a meeting at the moment, I don't know, sometimes we had a chat before, didn't we? Well, I don't really give advice, but I just turn and say, do what? Just keep punching, just keep having a look and keep using all your heart and your passion and then hopefully Ian Hill work out. But there's no guarantee. 

 Josh Wilson
 No guarantees, absolutely. So, as we wrap up, man, really happy to have you on the show. Work of dudes, find you, connect with you, buy a book from you, learn, hire you to come and speak at their organization. It's a good place to connect with you. 

 perry mccarthy
 That's really kind, thanks. Well, I've got a website, it's my name. Which info? Perrymccarthy co cCarthy co UK. So it's got my details on it. People. That's how I get an awful lot of engagements from corporations everywhere, so they can contact me like that. If they want to buy the book, it is available on Kindle and you can download it on that and that's great. It's going really well. We sold another copy just last year. I love the Amazon stuff. It's that you see, people who bought this also bought two yards of rope and a store bought the book. Actually, I think it's inside the top 15 best selling motor racing books of all time. People have enjoyed it, they've had a laugh and from that moment in time on that book, they've come with me on the journey, the ups and downs and the kind of why me again? 

 perry mccarthy
 Etc. E. I think it's resonated quite a few times. 

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