The Flow of Life With Arnaud Saint-Paul
Arnaud Saint-Paul is in charge of human resources at Schaerer (Groupe SEB) in France. A self-described philosopher, Arnaud talks to us about The Flow of Life .
Josh
All right, fellows, good day. And welcome to uncensored advice for men. My name's Josh, I'm your host. You guys are asking questions about life, sex, money, relationships, PTSD, suicides, and all these things that are going through our brains on a daily basis, right? Like you guys are reaching out, asking for advice. I go out to a community of people who are dedicated to love, support, and lift up you men. On today's show, we're going to have a conversation with an old friend of mine and he's on the other side of the world. I actually, I have no clue where he is right now, but are now awake. Welcome to the show, man.
Arnaud
Thank you so much for having me and I'm currently in Paris, France.
Josh
Very cool. Well welcome. Welcome to the show, man. Why don't you kind of give us a little idea about who you are and where your focus is.
Arnaud
Totally. And, and again, it's a sheer pleasure to be here and having some time with you. The what's my deal. I guess I, a 13 years old, I had a spiritual awakening of sorts, which put me on that journey of understanding, looking for answer for the question who am I, and that brought me to philosophies and religions and practices and whatnot. And, and while I was having a professional life as well in finance and technology, and then FinTech, I, in Europe and the U S mainly I continued helping people to reborn to themselves and slowly but surely came together a method, which are each it's a drawn method is charts. That helped me to understand how this whole experience we're having works and also how to figure out what's my next step. Right? And, and also very importantly to lead and live through the heart.
Arnaud
Through my heart, instead of my ego, my mind, which is the door to all the houses we go through. And, and so that's what came together. About 10 years ago, I think I came up with the realization that my life purpose now is to help 1 billion people to open their heart to themselves. That's my focus from now on and any activity I have goes in that direction. About a year ago, I published a second book called I, and that book now, not a year ago, a few months ago, like six months ago. That book is, how it's sharing the experience of becoming itself and growing into itself. We can get back to that later. Yeah, now championing this idea that, we may deserve harmony and coherence and alignment in our lives, whether it's the professional one or the personal or both, right. And, abandons growth, et cetera, is part of our birthrights.
Arnaud
Why not gaining onto that horse and really, get into more simplicity of ourselves, get into the flow of ourselves and find more balance and peace and love for ourselves and the others, obviously as well. Yeah, so now I'm half offering retreats and it books and workshops around that topic to help balance the feminine, the masculine and go, offer that possibility of a magical life for any person who resonate with it.
Josh
Awesome, man. You talked a few things that popped up as we're having this conversation, you lead with the heart, not the ego. You said that is the wellspring of where all evil comes from is where you said the ego is, let's dig into that. And what have you discovered in that? Because it seems like any type of major catastrophe in my life has been closely associated with an ego, whether mine or a partner's or someone. Right. Kind of dig into that and let us hear your thoughts.
Arnaud
Yeah. With pleasure, with pleasure. Just a little first, a little framework for this experience of being Joshua to work, there is a need of a foundation and that foundation is undifferentiated eternal, infinite, unconditional love. That's the frame, that's the frame on top of which is who you go. I Joshua or I are no. Or I auditor who made it whomever it is. And, and that I then starts to have activities and identifications, right identification with his own name, his own role was he's on activities or in relationship with others. And that's what we call the ego. It's that process of identification to the physical body, the emotions, the thoughts, the outer reality between quotes. Okay. That process that happens through the mind body, the emotional body and the physical body, that process of identification makes it so that we forget ourselves, all the rest of ourselves, a, the love that is our coordinator.
Arnaud
And, and so we start to lose ourselves into the identifications and we lose feeds, right? To speak as if you were in the ocean, you, you, you may drown yourself in it. It is possible by just being hypnotized, like when you're going to the movies and you're being John and John is doing whatever he's doing. You're all John, there's no Joshua anymore for that half hour and a half. Right? The same happens with people, with thoughts, with emotions, with the physical body, with any patterns, belief systems that we care for, that we are a engaged with. Right. We identify with. That happens, we are at the tip of our arrows, so to speak, instead of being all that we can be, does that make sense?
Josh
Yeah. We get lost just like a character that we're watching on a movie we get lost and we become a part of that. We feel we get lost in that, and you used word like flow or, identification, what do we identify with? You're saying w what the challenges is, that's only the tip of the spear, but to be fully, there's another key, is that right?
Arnaud
There's another key. It's not that there is another key. There is a key and let go of this identification. The whole game of this life you are in is about letting go of identification. Coming back to your inner love, that exists. It's always there a bit like the love of your mother is always there, right? Likewise, you have that love inside you, but it's not, you're not paying attention to it. Because of these identifications, because you're hypnotized by all these things or events or thoughts, et cetera. The whole game that has been taught by many wise men in the last thousand years is to let go of these identifications and become, and come back to a simpler version of ourselves.
Josh
You say identification, is that the same of letting go of your identity? Is that what you mean?
Arnaud
It is, yes. It will go. There definitely goes in that direction, but you don't letting go of identity feels Kerry because all of a sudden, wow, I don't have any more ego. Wow. What, what am I, you don't want that? And it's simpler than that. It's less imagine something taking you as an example, because I like to pick on you, but so you have these, something happened in your life, whether it was with a woman or et cetera. Maybe there is a, an underlying belief system, which is, women are unreliable. Let's say that's maybe one, a belief system that is active. Therefore you will align with women that are unreliable again and again, and again, until you have understood, in other words, until you are able to become conscious and aware of the process and letting go of that identification and the identification was, I truly believe my truth is that women are unreliable.
Arnaud
Okay.
Josh
Yup. You have this identification of something that, I had a bad experience. Women are unreliable, right. In this example, therefore, I just now accept women are liable. I'm then attracted to, or then I create all these relationships with unreliable. When is that right up?
Arnaud
Yes. You are on autopilot related to that B system. Therefore were always aligned with the same type of person so that you can confirm that your truth is true. Now, the moment you decide, I've got enough of that. I will now consciously change my direction. I may not believe yet that women are unreal are reliable. That may be a big stretch, but at the very least that, women are neutral. That would be a next step this way. I, I am less identified with that beliefs pattern with that belief system. Therefore I'm more open to new potentials.
Josh
Okay. Give us all right. I, before we go, how to do that, right? Us guys are like, okay, in theory, that sounds great, right? I can, I can let go of current belief systems or current identifications of things. That will free me to have a more open, better life, right before we go into how to do that, which I would love to know, because those guys are like, give us the freaking nap. Let's do this. Right. Give us another example of how that shows up in our life. Yes,
Arnaud
Easy. I was working with a CEO and the patterns in his life were showing us that there was an active, a pattern, a belief system that, which was, I need to control everything. Therefore his business was not able to conclude eight figure contract eight and nine figure contracts. Let me see. We, that pattern that was active, so we saw it. We had one session to let go of that need of control. We have in that case, identify where it was coming from. That can release the emotional blockage that was there. After, at the end of the session, the person, the CEO was feeling released, and that relationship with the need of control was losing, right. It was not there in that way of being anymore. The next week he signed the first contract nine figures, because again, the, his creation, the company he was creating, how we had created was not any more in that space of him needing to control it.
Arnaud
It goes, it goes very far. And, and the, the heartful method, the method that I created really rewires you completely on how you believe. Until now you believe that your reality is independent of you. Well, what I'm changing in terms of premises is that reality is a function of you. Anything that you believes is an actor for your own personal purpose. If you change a belief, therefore it will change automatically in your reality.
Josh
Okay. If I change my belief in something, right, maybe, as a CEO of a, of a company, right. If I change my belief in my need for control, if I start changing police, right. Then re different realities can start to.
Arnaud
Do an action. Yes, exactly.
Josh
Okay. This is interesting. So with the letting go, right? It sounds like we need to let go of a few things, right? Identification, maybe some faulty belief systems, maybe the need for control, right?
Arnaud
Yes. The same.
Josh
All right. Walk us through, you got to walk us through how to let go, because I might say that I'm letting go of it. Man, my grip is so tight on things in my life. For real, I've got my talent stuck in it and I'm not gonna let go. Like how do we do this?
Arnaud
Well, th that's where the s**t hit the fan a few times. Yes, no. I mean, how would I put it? The pro the, the January process is quite simple because it's all about getting back to simplicity, always. In other words is going back to now, there is no past stories. There is no future expectations is just now. Any step I'm taking is now and now that's a big aspect of letting go of identification. Okay? In other words, bringing about all the energies that are dispersed in the past and the future to this moment, and then a situation may come to you. The very first step to find harmony or alignment with whatever the situation is coming to you is step number one, to accept it as it is. So, in other words, not looking to react to it because funny enough, whatever happens in this now, moment is perfect as it is.
Arnaud
I may not agree with it. Okay. But nevertheless, it is right. Nobody can say otherwise, then it is right. Comes the second step, which is to embrace whatever is, in other words, Again, it has happened. It is what it is now. I may as well accepted as it is, instead of saying no, or, getting into some kind of an autopilot kind of reaction, emotional reaction, or thought reaction, et cetera. So already we have two core steps. The third one is about, we accepted it, we embraced it. Now what if we have compassion for it, for, for him or her, for myself, for the actual event itself, open our heart to whatever has happened. That would shift us totally from bring us to a new angle that would help us to release whatever was being expressed at that moment. This is the full process.
Josh
All right. So have compassion for the moment. Have compassion for the event, have compassion for the other participants in it.
Arnaud
Exactly. And for yourself. Yeah. And for yourself,
Josh
S**t hits the fan. Let's go through, let's go through a scenario, s**t hits the fan.
Arnaud
Again.
Josh
Don't want to accept it. Right. The let's just say there's a loss, right. In grief, right? Like there's a, there's a lot of emotions that come with grief, anger, fear, resentment, guilt, shame, all these things, accepting a bad situation. It looks damn near impossible in my mind. Right. Embracing it. Right. Sounds terrible too. Having compassion for let's just say the loss was caused by another person who maliciously did something or did something out of neglect or did something out of evil. How in the world do you have compassion for evil? What are your thoughts on these things.
Arnaud
At one point or another, it may arise, but let's not close ourselves of that possibility. I know it's hard. Again, I started with one step at a time.
Josh
Yeah.
Arnaud
So, w more so in these environments that you were just mentioning, we have to go back to now, because if I'm staying in that story of that person disappeared, et cetera, or she may have brought me this and that, you understand the damage you're doing to yourself. Because you're putting yourself out there instead of being here now. That was the premise when you are in that space of now then more so in these contexts, you may have to go back to the very simplicity of, pulling through one day after the other. Just going through that first, through going through the emotional upheaval, it may not be possible at first, but at some point, you could, again, this three step process at first, it feels like empty and doesn't work. At some point it starts to kick in and work.
Josh
All.
Arnaud
Right. Once I have been, yeah, go ahead.
Josh
Well, finish, share your train of thought. Once you were able to, you do these things, you start going through these steps and you said it at some point, it kicks in. So finish your thought there.
Arnaud
Yeah. So, yeah, we have to understand that life is a flow, it's it, patterns are gain momentum and then they lose momentum. It's, it's cycled it's waves. Having clarity that helps us to understand how to manage the cycles and the waves. Obviously, if you lost someone to take that example, you are in a mighty wave of loss and grief. At first, the only thing you can do is surf the way the best you can. You probably don't have a surf board anyway. And so you're drowning a little bit. Then they come back, et cetera. At some point, the waves loses some of its momentum. I can start to pick myself up again and following something like what I, I mentioned so that I accelerate the process of letting go of that grief by replacing it with more love for the other person, for myself, et cetera.
Arnaud
We're not saying, grief doesn't make sense, et cetera. No, of course, no, but we owe it to ourselves to have the patients so good to go through whatever is needed. Also we allow ourselves to take care of ourselves, This is the best way to do it.
Josh
Replacing would love. Right. So, there's guys in the audience who are just gonna get what you're sharing immediately. Right. There's guys like me who, maybe have gone through some, different types of struggles and, we're angry. We're, we're aggressive. There's, there's violence in our life. There's violence in our heart. Right. We're more on the attack side, right. Military or police or fire guys are, like there's, there's other guys like us who are, who this doesn't make sense to write love, ? Like we want to go destroy evil. We want to be, on the destruction side. Right. So just to be honest.
Arnaud
Yeah, yeah.
Josh
I love you too, but I hate evil. Right. I want to go destroy evil and there's people like me too. There's other guys out there, but with that comes a lot of unrest. It comes with a lot of pain. Like, when you're like replace it with love. Yeah. For wife and kids. Absolutely. For my friends. For you. Yeah. Absolutely. Love, love my friends. I love my fellow dudes. I love my guys, but there's evil that there's no love in my heart or compassion in my heart. I want to destroy it, but that's probably at the same time destroying me. What the hell do I do with that, buddy?
Arnaud
That's a great, great question. There's so many ways to answer that one. It, it all depends on what is your heart's vision? What I'm looking to say here is you came to this planet to embody something, right. Your energy let's, so to speak your music, your symphony is about whatever it, mine is about helping hearts to open yours may be to, create peace on earth. I don't know. We don't have to be that big either. It could be just in Austin, Texas, whatever. If so, what you are seeking is to embody that energy, to the best of your ability, maybe it's already conscious. Maybe it's not. Part of it, most likely, I think it's going to be fair to say is about to protect, right? Your energy is about protecting others in this case. You want to align with situations and with that energy to the best of your abilities so that you can protect in the most efficient way.
Arnaud
Yes.
Josh
Okay. I'm I'm tracking so far.
Arnaud
Yup, yup. Yup. On with that. What would be a higher level of expression of protecting? In other words, there are many ways of protecting, right. One can be to go and fight in the army. That's one option and another one firefighter as et cetera. And then there may be other ways. It's like, if I look at being authoritary, there are several levels of how I can be authoritarian saying, I'm the best, I'm the best. You have to listen to me or I'm just here and people follow because it makes sense. These are two part of the same spectrum. Right. It's the same idea, but it's not everybody in the same way. Okay. The question to you would be okay, how can I protect what it would be the highest expression of protecting others? Because this is my core, right. In this area we're talking about and potentially in your night.
Josh
Yeah.
Arnaud
And that's a great question.
Josh
If there was a, a power scale, a power struggle, a fight between good and evil. Right. Love. All of I've been told sometimes I don't feel it love conquers. All right. Love is more powerful than evil. I could go attack evil and I could bring violence to evil. I could put down the bad guy or support those who do or, be there to whatever. The more powerful choice is using a more powerful weapon and that's love, but how in the world do I attack something with love?
Arnaud
So let me digress a little bit. It should help us. I was in Egypt two weeks ago and I was helping, I had a two weeks cruise on the Nile with 60 change-makers. Cool. The whole game was in that case to bring harmony to the group. The main issue was balancing the family, the feminine, the masculine, because the group, mainly not because there were more men than women, but the overall the group language was more about let's fight the others, et cetera, then being collaborative and work together just to, as very quickly. Therefore they were not able to communicate together. Number one, and number two, they wanted to raise 6 million and they were not able to do it. At the end of the two weeks. We started to people not only were super happy working together, but they raised 60 million in the end.
Arnaud
That was because the fact of being too masculine in that energy of balancing the masculine and feminine was creating their resistances that were expected. By bringing up the feminine, then they be, they came into a collaborative mode and therefore everything, all the resistances started to go away. Okay. That's my digression, but let's get back to what you were saying. I'm navigating with you here because I've never had that conversation with law enforcement or, or people that are defending everyone. It is clear also that by I insisting on the fact there is evil, it fosters more example of that in my reality, in yours. Right. Cause we're only talking about your reality. The more I insist on that being there all the more, it has a probability of happening again and again. It's not about letting go of the fact that there's no evil, it is about finding balance.
Arnaud
Where that, let me help you to illustrate that a bit further, where there may be evil yes. Or evil or people that are abusing their power position actions, et cetera. Right. And, and has a negative consequence on someone else, someone that you are protecting. That may exist indeed, but is it better to focus on you providing a place, a safe Haven for the people that you want to protect more than counting on the fact that there will be someone coming over and abuse, XYZ?
Josh
I don't know. That's a, it's a great question is when do I defend, when do I attack in, is, I don't know.
Arnaud
If we look at, these ancient Daoism kung-fu, et cetera, all the, the martial arts, which I know, a lot about they tend to, whatever the attack is coming, it's coming to them. They use that energy to transform it so that it, so that the blunt attack becomes more part of the flow. The energy of that attack kind of disappears within a very simple scenario in that case. What if we would apply that kind of mechanism as well? In other situations,
Josh
It's interesting. I met a guy the other day and this guy was a pretty intense and he's like a, he's a warrior. Right. He's like a warrior waiting for war to happen.
Arnaud
It feels.
Josh
Like, always on the always ready to go. Right. I could see a lack of peace. Right. Me, I look at that in my own life. I go, when I am in that mode, because sometimes I'm in that mode. Sometimes I back and I see my, my three kids and I'm like, man, turn off that mode, Josh. Like, I sometimes have a hard time turning off that mode. Right. Like, bumping the night goes outside and Josh is outside with a flashlight in the handgun. Right. Like that's how my brain is wired sometimes.
Josh
How do I, I have to learn the, how to turn that off. One guy that I referred to probably doesn't have an off switch and I'm kind of in the middle of wanting to be able to turn it off, turn it on when I need to defend, but put all the energy more on the protection, the nurturing, the loving of my kids and my wife and my family and my business relationships. How do I create that balance? Because I'm not a guy, no one has ever looked at Josh and go, that's a well balanced sky, right? Like.
Josh
Is way over here. Boom. You know, like I'll run towards it. How do I create that balance, man? I'm unbalanced.
Arnaud
Well, first and foremost, by starting to believe that you are balanced.
Arnaud
That may help.
Josh
All right. I believe I'm balanced.
Arnaud
There. What we can say in this very moment in this perfection of this moment, you are balanced, right? Yeah. In this moment, this is true. When you're saying, I mean, balance, you're looking at all your past and you're making an average and you're deciding I'm unbalanced. This is not true either. Accepting yourself as you are, is a great start. We want to thank that gentleman that you met that is always on war or war on. Yeah. Because he gave you a contrast, oh, I may be more balanced than I believed in the end.
Arnaud
Yeah. I'll shall continue a little bit further.
Arnaud
Let's start from the premise that you are indeed balanced. Part of your balance is being at peace and having fun with your kids. Sometimes being in defend mode or, war let's call it war a war zone kind of thing. It does happen to protect the people that you love, et cetera. The question is from where are you being? That is it from a place of peace where you feel that the moment from the moment that is now you arise and it is the best expression you can have in that moment or there, or you are there because it's automatic. You are not to pilot.
Josh
This comes from, if to answer that question is where am I, am I at a place of peace inside, right. Acceptance of self and at peace inside the answer's no, I'm learning to accept myself, embrace myself, both strengths and weaknesses. My identity is rooted in something that's beyond me. Right. I would say that attack mode in my head is coming from a place of fear what's going on in the world. What's going on? What I see going on it is a place of fear. More ammunition, more guns, more food storage, more water, right. More prepping, right? Like that's I was raised by my father. I am my father. Right? Like he was a Vietnam vet, a couple of bullet holes and such like that. Like that's where the training comes from. That's where the programming is. A lot of this I would say is coming from a place of fear and uncertainty of the future.
Arnaud
Okay. If, again, if you go back to this now moment in, even in these moments, so if you are able to catch yourself in these moments to say, okay, now, right now in this moment, is there any reason why I would need to fear anything? The answer most likely is? No.
Josh
Yeah, no,
Arnaud
Because again, instead of focusing wide, your you're narrowing your focus and you're looking at what is in this moment and that is your reality. Nothing else. The rest was ghosts. You may be a warrior, but let's be a wire of now.
Arnaud
That now moment it in that now moment, it may arise that you need to be prepped up, et cetera, because there is something that happens in that moment. Yes, of course. It's a very different place than the one of fear of, or autopilot that were talking about earlier.
Josh
Yeah.
Josh
All right. Let, let's pause this for a second. Right? Cause we're going down this path and. You, you mentioned some steps earlier on except embrace compassion, right? Mm mm let's. Let's address the elephant in the room. Right? The, the what's going on inside me. There's probably a lot of emotions with me and then other guys, right? Like us guys, we're not really trained emotionally well, right. Like how to deal with our emotions and what's going on. So, we confront them with anger or hostility or violence or, or we, pour some alcohol on it and try to push it away. Let's address in this situation, fear, right. Fear with what's going on in the economy, what's going on in the, potential wars and this and that let's address that for us guys. Let's address fear with th with your three steps. How does that work.
Arnaud
In the very same way I mentioned. Let's, so the first step, in order for you to be able to accept, which is the first step you need first to awake from whatever identification you wear. Like, again, when you add the movie, you're looking at John that is doing his thing on his motorbikes or whatever, you always have the opportunity to work up, to wake up from John and say, no, I'm Josh SRE. From there you start looking at the images and the colors and whatnot, whatever. Here the same thing UI in that place of here, it is time for you to stare back at it and say, oh, where am I going with that? So that's step zero. You can lounge the next step. Step zero, realizing that I not in my center, I'm elsewhere, I'm projected in something that may have happened a while ago.
Arnaud
They, I fear is going to repeat itself or something that I expect that it's going to happen in the future. And I don't want it to happen. And therefore I'm lost. It's coming back to the ground and maybe you can use your body, like, to stop with your feet here now. Now what do I do with that fear? Which is your question. So now I am more conscious. Okay. A little bit. I choose to accept this moment. In this case, it is not only that right now, nothing is really happening, but me and my fear, it is about accepting myself for having been in that fear. It's okay. It's part of my journey and why not? We, we are bound to make mistakes and we're bound to do things that we did not want to et cetera. Let's accept ourselves for who we are. That's okay.
Arnaud
In other words, let's honor ourselves or we who we are. And then we embrace. We embrace that whole aspect, which is a bit what I just described and say, okay, nothing was really happening. I was building my story and all that stuff. I lost myself there. It's okay. I can pat myself in the back . Maybe our Lima, I allow myself to get to the next stage, which is by having had a comprehension, an acceptance, and embrace myself. I may be able to feel more love for the situation for me, having to wonder for me doing this and that. Also for me, being able to wake up to all that and to do that, that process. It's very gradual and we don't have to, and as we started doing it more and more, it starts to become easier and easier.
Josh
This might be me, but I doubt it is guys in the audience, raise your hand if you're pretty tough on yourself. Right. Nobody needs to beat Josh up because Josh is pretty good at doing it on my own. Right. I think that there's a lot of guys in the audience, in the community who go, yeah, me too. Right. For me, learning to accept, embrace, and have compassion for myself, it's a little easier to do it externally. Right. Man, it's always, it's super difficult for me to do that internally.
Arnaud
Yes.
Josh
I, I know that there's guys going, yeah, me too. Right. How, how do we do that? Like how do we have that accept, embrace, have compassion for ourselves. One of my coaches that I worked with, he, we created this affirmation that says, I'm the kind of guy who is kind to myself and kind to others. Right. Like, and I say that or the kind of laugh and I'm like everything, except, fingers crossed everything, except that kind to myself kind of thing, like, Josh can handle it. Right. But how's that working out? Right. How, how has that worked out in the past? I'm learning this now and I'm 40 freaking years old or no, like I'm kind of just learning this stuff now I'm late, ? Yeah. So what is your.
Arnaud
All good? We, we have all the time need to learn all these things. I mean, yes. It's obviously easier to do it for other people than for ourselves. Yes, for sure. Now we can also take ourselves by the hand and, with very basic steps, maybe you have in the fridge, these, accept, embrace love. These are the three, a bit like the, the 12 steps of the alcoholic anonymous here, we have three and is just by repeating it, in action in this case that we start to actually do it. We learn, we experience it by through the experience. We learn how to do it better. Now there are methods to help us awake as well, which is the part that is the most difficult at first where you can every hour put your alarm on your phone to ask yourself, who am I now? Am I the fear?
Arnaud
Am I the husband? Am I the protector? Am I just meet? That's a great way to recall to be present because all that we're talking about here is just to be present. In this moment. Does that answer your question?
Josh
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the reason the 12 step program works so good is it takes us through baby steps, right? It, it says like these are the steps to it. Guys need an action plan. We need, like, we need the tactical mission. Like here's step one. Here's step two. Here's step three. We need the reminders. I got tattoos all over my body. Like, that remind me of certain things. So it sounds like,
Arnaud
So.
Josh
Go for it.
Arnaud
Step zero, take your phone, put an alarm every hour and ask yourself the question, who am I, and that will help you to feel and see, and be present to the fact, if you are on autopilot or not at that moment. We will therefore help you in any other situation that is not at that time to figure out if you are an autopilot or not as well. Okay. That's step number one, if you are, it happened to be in the moment when you see, oh, I am in fear now. Right? You apply step 1, 2, 3, that we mentioned. I think we described them rather well so far. If you're not great, you can give yourself a kudos, maybe a and therefore appreciate yourself better because of that. It's great to be hard on yourself, but it's also good for all the people that love you, that you start to open the door towards yourself as well, but a bit, and that won't make you a lesser man for that matter on the contrary, it's a bit like when we're talking about being authoritarian, like hammering on people or just being there, we're only talking about having more presence overall and by having more presence, therefore things start to become simpler and easier for everyone, including you.
Arnaud
I think that's not a bad direction to go after for any man.
Josh
Yeah. That's an interesting choice. I mean, I have, like I said, I have these things tattooed on my body. I have it tattooed on my arm. Who am I? I asked myself that all the freaking time. Yeah. So I think that this is,
Arnaud
This is pretty cool that if you do awesome. Now how many times do you remember you've been answering I'm in fear or you mean answering? I am protecting et cetera.
Josh
For me, I haven't looked at it through that lens. I've looked at it more as like for me, my belief system, I, I believe in, I believe in God, right? If I believe in God and that he's a good heavenly father, I'm his kid and I should be taken care of. I could trust in dad to take care of the situation. Right. I could bring it through that thing. It should get then why are you afraid? Because I don't trust because I'm lacking faith because it's those things. Who, I can work my way back through the, the thing and just accept and embrace it. This is just where I'm at and then have compassion for myself. I might have to call you a few times and walk me through that process, but it.
Arnaud
Makes,
Josh
It makes, it makes sense. This, to be honest, I've known you for a long time and this, this feels very foreign. This feels very woo. It feels this, but it also appears true, ? It's because it doesn't, it doesn't really resonate well with the masculine rubbed dirt in it, get up and try again.
Arnaud
Yeah, no, I totally get it. I totally get it. It also feels for rain because it's so simple.
Arnaud
We love complexity and this is an invitation to get back to simplicity because really that's where the magic happens.
Josh
Magic is in the simplicity.
Arnaud
Yes.
Josh
So what's the opposite of that.
Arnaud
Complexities. The complexity is in the ego mind, simplicity is in your heart. The only reason why you are protecting, or you are in that journey of concurring, the evil is because you are loving.
Josh
Yeah. I love my kids. Love my wife. My family loved my country. Okay.
Arnaud
It and the morals, et cetera. Yes. Now it may be time for you to choose more, to be more in that love and therefore protect, but in a very different way. Yeah. What does that look like? It's up to us to figure it out. It's a very interesting question, nevertheless.
Josh
It's interesting. It's how to, cause if I, I know that there's energy, right? There's, there's love and there's hate, there's evil. Good. There's all these things. If I believe that what the Bible says or what God says, love conquers all. If through my belief system, if love is the most powerful weapon, the most powerful energy, the most powerful this, then I could use that as a tool or,
Arnaud
Yeah. That was a question you were asking earlier. I think I, now I found the angle, just let me illustrate something further.
Josh
Yeah, please.
Arnaud
When we're talking about love. This world, all that, all your experience, all the objects that are around you, the light that is being coming on, you, the thoughts that you have, the emotion that you have, the physical being that you have is vibration only that. All of it. That's why at the beginning where we're saying reality is a function of you because everything resonates with everything. And that's why we have alignment. All these things were talking about, balancing the feminine and the masculine. That's the reason why it works. There's no other reason. And this is scientific. That's not who is what it is. Okay. We just haven't caught up right yet on that fact, but this is how it works. Can't do anything else about that. We look at the world of emotions and we're talking about hate and rage or sadness for that matter or positivity or love, this is, imagine it as a scale of frequencies of vibration frequencies.
Arnaud
These rage and fear and all that is at the bottom of the vibrational frequencies. The love unconditional love is at the very top. In between you have all different type of variations, right? In other words, when you are in that fear, were talking about earlier, it's like you are at the bottom of the ladder and you have to slightly go up one step at a time to go back to a place of more acceptance, of more understanding of becoming more positive, et cetera. It's just a state of mind slash emotional where you are at the bottom of the pile. So, and this hap, this applies to every being on this planet. Okay. So in other words, love conquers all. Yes. It's the highest vibration possible. It is also the very core and foundation of you, as I mentioned at the very beginning. So this is where you're coming from.
Arnaud
This is where you're heading towards, if you choose to. So it's kind of a circular pathway. Now, it is always your choice at every single moment to go more towards the bottom of the ladder or to the highest aspect of the ladder. Again, now that I think of it further, you may steal, protect from a place of love than from a place of fear. What does it look like in your knife? Why would it be, that's a freaking interesting question.
Josh
It sure is what does it, there's a very big difference between protecting and attacking.
Arnaud
There is also that.
Josh
Yeah, that's interesting.
Josh
I want to know more about you and I want to know more about, some of the things that you're working on for you in this, in your phases and your, in your coaching and your, your mission to help a billion people open up their heart towards love. Like what, w what is the, what are you finding is the biggest resistance to that? And how do.
Arnaud
It, the biggest resistance is our capacity to identify. We're so mesmerized by the beautiful stories. We're thinking that are true, that we have completely forgotten ourselves in that process. We're all going through slumber and believing that, the chaotic life is what can be normal, what should be normal when it is not alignment and harmony is the normality. It is how we are born and how we can have our life. Now, obviously, to an audience that is more into protecting and attacking, et cetera. It feels very, very far away. I understand that, but never that as this is my experience today, and thank you guys to do what you're doing, because at allows my experience to be had, right, and helping people to open their heart to themselves. Now, I believe we hold all of us, even if we all have a different symphony, a different music, right?
Arnaud
So yours is about protecting another. It's going to be about accounting and another. Those are going to be about, I dunno, mine is about helping people to open their heart because in the end, that's the most beautiful gift I can make to myself. And, and we all together. We've an amazing, huge symphony that is we call life with all our imbalances and balances. That's the way we call the flow of life as well. Right. It's freaking magical if we allow it, if we accept to receive it as such, you are talking about your faith. It is part, faith is part of it as well, because if not, why doing what we're doing, and I'm sure, the, all the different aspects of your life are moved with that faith. Because if there is no hope at some point, right, why continuing doing what you're doing? This is amazing Q also that now, I guess my invitation is for all of us to figure out what would be a higher vibration or higher level of expression of ourselves in whatever is our energy, our story, to do it from a different place.
Arnaud
What would that look like? Let's try it out and please report us back. I mean, I'd love to learn from you guys as well, because I think it is important that we all grow together.
Josh
Yeah. Arno, this is a man. I love our conversations because it challenged me to look at life and myself through a different lens. That's not typically trained in me. That's not natural for me. And I know that there's guys going. Yeah, me too. Right. I love the, the, the challenge and the reminder of why am I doing this? Why, why do I want to attack or break down evil or something? It's because I have a deep love for my fill in the blank, my wife and my kids. That's where I should be putting my energy.
Arnaud
Totally. Yeah. A hundred percent.
Josh
Yeah. Now that if a man, so many golden nuggets for me, that was the gym. Yeah.
Arnaud
I mean, yeah.
Josh
I know for this interview where we're wrapping up on time for guys in the audience who need, who want to connect with you and who go, what, this does resonate with me. I need to create more balance in my world. I need to figure out this, the flow of life. I need to have a chat with you work. You guys go to connect with you and learn with you.
Arnaud
Firstly, they could go, I am sharing a eight hours workshop. I mean, in several segments, which is to help people to find harmony and it's free so they can go through it. If they want to it's dot com slash harmony. We'll we'll share it. I'm sure you'll share the link on the underneath. With just with that already, I hope it's my sincere hope that they will be able to start making a difference for themselves. That's that's my purpose. After that, if they want to retreats, et cetera, but first and foremost, more so for all the amazing work that you guys are doing, have a look, try it out and test things, play with it, play with yourself, find ways to, even let me know if I'm wrong, it's unlikely, but I'm happy to have that conversation anyway, because that's the way we can figure out the best way to communicate and to make sure that the message gets across to help you.
Arnaud
And, and we haven't spoken about the feminine and the masculine and a few things around that. That would be amazing to share there, but we'll get to that in another session. Probably the let's try it and let's make a difference for ourselves and therefore the others that we care and love.
Josh
Cool. Well, bud, I love you, man. I appreciate you coming on the show and sharing your heart and your mission dudes. The audience has always reached out to our guests. Their contact information will be in the show notes below. Connect with them directly and say, Hey, what you're sharing. I need some help with raise your hand, ask for help. Our guests have all said, yes, right? So you just have to reach out. If you guys are working on something or need some help with something you can always head on over to uncensored advice for men.com, fill out a quick form and I'll plug in with someone who can help, or maybe you have some advice to give guys and maybe it gets you on the show. So that's a good place to start. I love you guys. See you all on the next episode. Cheers.
Arnaud
Thank you. Bye.
