July 6, 2022

Rebuilding The Man with Jesse Lee Peterson


 Jesse Lee Peterson has been a pastor, a counselor and an author. He has also become a radio and TV talk show host. His childhood was spent on a plantation near Tuskegee, Alabama, during the Jim Crow era. At 18, he moved to Los Angeles. There he discovered forgiveness and founded BOND in 1990 to help black men overcome anger; soon he found that all people needed the truth. Today, Jesse counsels individuals, couples and families at BOND and speaks with people around the world. He leads Church services and conferences; he’s also a much-loved speaker and media commentator. Today he speaks to us about his brand "Rebuilding the Man."

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 Josh
 Good day guys. Welcome to uncensored advice for men. Hey, I'm bringing on a champion. This guy has been behind the mic for a long time. He's he's been speaking to men for a very long time and I'm privileged to bring him on my show. Mr. JLP, Mr. Jesse Lee Peterson. Welcome to the show. 


 Jesse
 Thank you. I appreciate you having me on man. I really liked what you're doing and trying to help men pointing them back to God because that's what needed. 


 Josh
 Yeah. Super cool, man. I'm honored to have you're you're a legend here, like in the world of radio and you've been on TV. You've interviewed some incredible people, so I'm honored and I appreciate you doing this right off the bat, 


 Jesse
 Buddy. Thank you, man. I appreciate that. 


 Josh
 Yeah. So let's dive in. This is going to be a show for men. Even that in itself is controversial in today's world, right. Men are being attacked just because of the, the plumbing we have, right? Yeah. What is, what do you see in the world of masculinity in the world of men and what message do you have for guys today? Let's start there and I'm sure we're going to dig deep. 


 Jesse
 Well, for 32 years now, I have been running a nonprofit organization called bond, the brotherhood organization of a new destiny. We are rebuilding the family by rebuilding the man. What we've been doing is bringing back the order of God in Christ, crushed, and man, over woman and woman over children. What we've been doing is pointing a man back to the father. Guys said that there will come a day when I would return the children to the fathers and the fathers should have children without that dance at hand, if ever that was needed is needed now because as men are being turned away from their earthly fathers, they have been turned away from God. They really don't understand their role in life. Their role in life is to be that representation of God in that all men are sons of God, even if they have been turned away at most were not most, but all men have been turned away from God by being turned away from their earthly fathers. 


 Jesse
 When you're born through the woman, you were born into a crazy family. That's what it means to be born into sin, right? Because were born innocent. Well, we're coming through angry mother. We're coming into a family who have fathers and mothers are not getting along. Mothers in their fallen state tend to turn the children away from the father and recreate them or her image by causing them to become angry. She had posted her will on them. Once she does that, they become angry. As anger is the same as hatred. So you become like what you hate. That's why you see a lot of men who have anger. They overreact, they overreact, they're emotional, just like their mothers. They don't realize what's going on because their fathers, because they have not, the father has not be overcome his mother. He is married to his mother. He doesn't know how to deal with her. 


 Jesse
 He become the boy to his wife and she become his mother and the cycle repeats itself over and over again. And, and so God said that we must be born again. We're born once of the flesh there, we have to be born of the spirit. All the way that's going to happen is that you have to forgive your mothers for turning you away from your fathers and forgive your father for not protecting you from them. Having a mother and God will forgive you. He said that before you enter into the kingdom, you must forgive. So once you forgive, don't ask forgiveness. God will forgive. You will give the mother fraternity away from your father and forgive the father for not potentially. You, God will forgive you. You draw you in and he'll change your heart from anger to love and love will conquer all. It will destroy the ego, the nature of the devil and everything else. 


 Jesse
 Men would see, they would walk by the light of God, rather than a darkness of their imagination, their emotions and the imagination. They will start to overcome that, but they got to forgive so they can remember who they were before the mother turned them away from the earthly father. Because if you don't love your earthly father, you can never love God. 


 Josh
 Wow. Before we start, we dig into fatherhood and being a father and having a father and all that stuff around men. How is your message received with women out there, man, talking about like this, like w what kind of feedback do you get from ladies? I bet you get some hate mail, huh? 


 Jesse
 Lots of it. But, and I have to tell you that there are a lot of ladies who see this and understand it. It may sense to them because God is allowing them. They are seeking women. They want to return to the father because women need to do the same thing. The mother recreate the woman in her image as well. The women repeat exactly the same thing to mothers. They have the same personality. They take on the same action as the mother become. They become like their mothers too. They don't, they are not happy being that way. They don't want to be like their mothers. They want to be themselves, but they don't understand it. The latest have to forgive the mothers too, for turning them away from the fathers and forgive the father for not protection. I'm from the mother and God will forgive them and wake them up to bring them back into the kingdom. 


 Jesse
 So a lot of ladies are mad. You know, they get mad about it. They call me names and whatever, but there are some women around the world because it's the same thing around the world. They see where I'm talking about. They go in forgive and their lives changes change as well. We hold every first, Thursday, night of the month, we hold meetings for men only. The Thursday tonight forums for ladies only, and Sunday mornings for everybody. There are ladies who are waking up to this message. 


 Josh
 Yeah, man, I get. 


 Jesse
 Afraid to forgive them. Mothers, every human being is afraid of momma. They say, oh, I don't want to hurt mama feelings. Or I don't know how she might react. Poor pitiful. Mama. Mama is not a victim. She's a victimizer, but she played victim in order to control you. 


 Josh
 Wow. So I'm 40 years old. I'm a dude. I'm working through mommy issues and daddy issues. I thought, man, growing up, I thought I was going to have all my crap together, but age 40. Yeah. Counseling, coaching therapy, I'm working through this stuff. That's why we created the show is as I worked through my crap, I want to share that with other guys. Right. It's what I'm finding out is that it's a lifelong journey. And I felt so far behind. Let me ask you this. Talk to me about your journey and like, how did you figure this crap out? Because this is against the grain of what society is, preaching. 


 Jesse
 It is especially today's society. When I was growing up, it was the norm. You know, it was clear. Men were the head of the woman as God has ahead of the man, God and Christ, and man matter of a woman, right. It was clear during the time that I was growing up. And, but what happened was my mother got pregnant by my father, but they got pregnant out of wedlock, but it was an embarrassment. I grew up in Alabama on a plantation down there. It was an embarrassment at the tablet, especially black women to get printed out of wedlock. My mother married my stepfather before I was born. That way I wouldn't be born out of wedlock. So, but my mother hated my father because he rejected her. He didn't, he denied it at first. She tried to keep me away from him because she resented him. 


 Jesse
 And, but finally, I, I lost over short. I started to see my real father when I was little kid. Cause I had this yearning for my real father, even though my stepfather was a nice guy. He really tried to treat me by, I was his, but I could not spiritually connect to him. There was like, I had this yearning, this emptiness, this boy for my natural father. And I knew that's what it was. I will say, as a kid, I want my father. Where's my father. My grandmother's other started to let me see my father secretly and long story short. I moved to Los Angeles at T on my own here. I realized that I still had that urine and from my father. I asked God to let me see myself because I didn't know myself know, thyself is the most important thing you can ever do for yourself know thyself. 


 Jesse
 Right? God allowed me to see that I resented my mother who tried to turn me away from my father. I went and forgave my mother for that. She didn't realize what she had done. Most mothers are not like this though. And she apologized for what she did. Wow. I forgave her and God forgave me. I haven't talked with my father, my earthly father, and God took away the anger that I had. He fulfill that emptiness. And I haven't looked back. I've been free ever since. I've just grown in the light of the father. He took away all my fears and doubts and worries and insecurities and all those things, all that change where he changed my heart from anger to love. He allowed me to see, and once I was able to see the rest was easy. 


 Josh
 Yeah. I like to think of myself as a bad-ass dude. Right. I used to wrestle alligators. I was a firefighter I've been in venture capital, private equity. I've had more jobs than most. Like I see danger. I've run to, it used to be a fighter. When you talk about fears, doubts, and insecurities, I'm a guy with a lot of fears, doubts and insecurities about my own self and about what's going on in the world, man. Maybe you could speak to that because outwardly people would be like, that's a man's dude. Even though I'm like five eight, like, I'm not that big of a dude, but I like the Napoleonic complex. Like I, I've got some bravado and some, but inside dude, I'm afraid. I've got doubts of myself in my own strengths. I've got insecurities that I'm trying to work through. Like how do you, how. 


 Jesse
 I totally understand that. I, I counsel with men around the world, I counseled with men who had been in wars and they go out of there and fight the battle of a war. When they get home, their wives beat them up. They can't even deal with their wives, inwardly. They are afraid and they have emotion. That's not going to change until you go and forgive your mother because any man that has anger has the nature of a woman is abnormal for men to be inwardly afraid, to have doubt and worry insecurity. If you want to overcome that, you're going to have to forgive your mother for turning you away from your father for and recreate a year, her image. And don't ask her forgiveness. You forgive her and God will forgive you. He would take away the mother's identity from you. He would take away her spirit, which is not her own sphere is the spirit of a devil in her that been passed down to the woman since Adam and Eve days. 


 Jesse
 So, remember when he listened to the serpent and he became her God, and then Adam listened to the woman and she became his scotch. 


 Josh
 Wow. Yeah. 


 Jesse
 So. 


 Josh
 Women are our gods, right? Chasing, you know, boobs and butts. Like the three letter words, man, that's what we want. That's why we, 


 Jesse
 That's not going to change too. Until you forgive your mother. Once you forgive your mother, that role would change where the woman would no longer be your God. You will no longer have fear and doubt and insecurity and worry because God would take that nature away from you. The God above is demand. Scott and the God below is the woman's God. The man is his role to bring the woman out of the hell that she's in. When you follow the woman, you go into the hell that she's in. And that's why men suffer. Because every time the man listened to the woman, he suffers just as Adam did where he listened to E. 


 Josh
 All right. I hope you don't mind going tactical with me, but let's just say we're at the point where like, okay, got to forgive mom. Let's just say we're like fully convinced for like it, or maybe even just having of faith in you saying you've been doing this for 32 years, you've worked through this on your own self. I, I just want to follow suit and I want to forgive mom. Yeah. What's the process of that. 


 Jesse
 Versus you see why you resent her and those little irritation. She does, she makes you feel like you have to call her every day or she'll call you. She makes you feel responsible for her. You're not able to be honest with the mother because of this fear of hurting her feelings, she had you, she took care of you and all that, right? Once you see the little irritations that you have to want her, that's what you need to forgive her for. You go to her and just say, Hey, I have been resenting you all of my life because you controlling. I'm just throwing out things, you're dominating all your two mothery, oh, you turn me away from my father. I realize now, because I can't help myself. I realized that you could not help yourself. And I'm sorry for resenting you. And if she apologized, that's fine. 


 Jesse
 If she doesn't, that's fine. If she started crying, that's fine. If she doesn't have no expectation from her at all, if she get mad, that's fine. If she fall out and die, just fine, like, wow, mama died, but you forgive her and God would forgive you. Forgive your father, ask your father, why do you protect me from her? You'll see that he wasn't able to do it because he was married to his mama will have the baby. When his mama and you will forgive him for his weakness too, because you will see that he can help him. I'm telling you, man, when you forgive your mother, God will forgive you. Waking you up into the light of God. You will start to see you've been living in your imagination, what you used to be innocent. You knew God, you live by revelation. You had nowhere as a kid. 


 Jesse
 No doubt. Once you became angry, you went into your imagination to escape. So the light of God would break. This is you. This is a darkness. The mindset of Satan. God will bring you out of that. Gradually little by little, you start to come out of thoughts and you will live by revelation and not the voices in your head because you are not no star. You don't create those thoughts. All thoughts and emotions come from Sagent. They're not from you. And they're not from God. You started to overcome all of that. 


 Josh
 Yeah. Step one, becoming a man really is to forgive your mom. 


 Jesse
 Yes. You got to overcome new woman. 


 Josh
 Overcome. That can be the title of the show, how to overcome the woman. Right? Yeah. Awesome. All right. So, you know, 


 Jesse
 Gone and forgive me a mother yet. 


 Josh
 I think. So. 


 Jesse
 You went to her and told her, you're sorry for retention her. 


 Josh
 No, not like that. You know, but. 


 Jesse
 Why do you think you have to give me her. 


 Josh
 To be honest, like we've had issues, right? Just like any family has. 


 Jesse
 All families, 


 Josh
 Like all families, right. And every. 


 Jesse
 Family on this side of heaven, 


 Josh
 Every, every family on this side of heaven between me and God, I, I pray for her. I, I bless her. I ask God, Hey, God helped me to love her. More helped me to, I, I haven't until you just, being open and, open kimono with you is I haven't realized that maybe there's things that I got to forgive her about. I thought I did, but I'm happy to do that, but let me, let me bring up some passive. Josh passive, Josh just wants to go into, was just like, okay, fine. I forgive her. God, I forgive her. Right. Passive, Josh doesn't want to go, Hey mom, I forgive you. Here's the reasons why that's right. I probably bring that passivity to my marriage. 


 Jesse
 Yeah. You're married to your mama. 


 Josh
 Get outta here. Don't tell my wife that. 


 Jesse
 Now you can see how the way that you can't stand up to your wife and the right way, your mother, your father could not stand up to your mother and the right way. That's why he didn't protect you. Farmer is exactly how your father feel because you're married to your mama and the reason you haven't gone and forgiving a mother who afraid of her, you afraid of St and tell you, oh, you got to hurt a feeling. That's here. Oh, she might overreact. That's fear. Well, she took care of me when I was growing up. She was supposed to take care of you. She had you that wasn't a favor that she did. Oh, well, I owe her something. You don't owe her. Anything you didn't tell. Your parents are laid out to make you their responsibility. The Saint is telling you all of these reasons not to forgive her. 


 Jesse
 So he has put fear in you. That's why you have not gone to her. And forgive her. God said, go to the person and forgive them and be done with it. I will forgive you and draw you into the kingdom. If you don't go to your mother, you won't be forgiving her because you don't love her. Because if you love your mother, you will go. You will forgive your mother. You understand that she couldn't help herself. You don't love her. 


 Josh
 Hey, Jesse. We were out of time. I've got a cancer. No, I'm just kidding. Right? Our show just got shortchanged. So step one, go to mom. 


 Jesse
 Yeah. Otherwise your wife has got to destroy your children and the same way your mother did to you. 


 Josh
 All right. Step one, go to mom and forgive her. See I'm yes, I can do this. I know I can. I thought I was doing it the right way, but Hey, I'm up for a challenge, dude. I'm in, I'm in, I'll do that. I, I can even report back into like, capability-wise anybody listening in? You can ask me, Josh, did you go to mama at the answer? Will be, yes, I will. No. 


 Jesse
 Why are you sweating already? 


 Josh
 Because it's terrifying. I don't want to hurt her feelings, dude. She's gone through a lot. 


 Jesse
 Yeah. And who fought? Is that yours or hers? 


 Josh
 Probably. Probably all of the above. 


 Jesse
 It's not your fault at all. 


 Josh
 I brought some trauma to the family and relationships. I'm sure. 


 Jesse
 Yeah, you did. You gave back to her what she's given to you. He became lahars. All of your ashes was her and not you have never been you yet. Everything you've done is what was done to you by her. 


 Josh
 Now. All right. Now you're hitting a chord where it's like, I'd never been me yet. I've got this freaking tattooed on my arm where it says, who am I? Oh, wait, I built some cool stuff. I've also had a lot of massive failure in my life. At one point I was on a bridge thing of diving off and I felt, God say, who are you? And I do. Do you mind if I cuss ? 


 Jesse
 No, no. 


 Josh
 Okay. I'll stand on the bridge and I felt good. Thinking about jumping off and I felt, God say, who are you? I said, I don't know who the f**k I am. And he goes, go figure that out. You're gonna help a lot of dudes. I got that tattooed on my arm. Not the f**k part, but like, right. You just said you haven't been living fully, you nailed it man. 40 years in. I'm figuring it out now, after going through therapy and coaching and having a show where I talk to guys and they just tear me apart, like I'm in, right? Like I want to know who, God, and I want to know who the, I'm supposed to be the image bearer of God. So I want to be that fully. I want to be there for my family fully. 


 Jesse
 When they, and if you to Lou truly want to know who you really are. Yeah. Go and forgive your mother and forgive your father for not protecting you from her. 


 Josh
 Baby. Step number two. Right? All right. Forget mama, baby. Step number two. Forgive dad. Dad's dead. Yeah. I can't go to dad and say, Hey dad, here's all the ways you screwed me up. Right? I love you. I take responsibility for my stuff. How do I do that? He's not here. 


 Jesse
 Bye bye. Knowing yourself. You see the weakness in yourself, you see how you afraid to deal with your mother. You see how you afraid to deal with your wife in the right way, because she might get mad or she might not have sex with you. Or, you know what? I heard a feeling. Your father felt the same way. The same as that here you have is what he had. And so he could not help himself. By you realizing that you can't help yourself, it will call you to realize your father could not help himself, though. He's dead realizing that he couldn't help himself will call you to forgive him. God will cause that to happen. And you shall be free. 


 Josh
 Now you're making assumptions there, Mr. JLP that my wife and I don't have sex every single day, multiple times a day that I don't stand up to my wife. I'm afraid of hurting her inner feelings. Okay. 


 Jesse
 I can be wrong. But they went to read. I know you don't do it to wife in the right way. And you don't correct the issues wrong. You, you may do it sometime in a soft way or angry way, but that's not true. Correction. True correction is when you can, correct. Without being angry, without being afraid, without judging, you just correct her. The reason I know that, and if I'm wrong, I could be wrong. The reason I know that, because you're afraid to deal with your mother. You're afraid to deal with the mother that you came through. You're also afraid to deal with the mother that you marriage. 


 Josh
 Yeah. So you might, 


 Jesse
 You ever want me to get involved with his mama? You attracted to that same spirit, but once you overcome your earthly mother, you would no longer be attracted to that spirit. You attract. We are attracted to what we hate. 


 Josh
 That's interesting. I I've been married 13 years, got three kids. Like I said, I'm 40 years old, like building business over here. This is our impact show, figuring myself out. Like I thought I'd be a lot further along in life. Right. What I'm realizing is all of us guys are really messed up after having conversations with thousands of dudes. I'm like, oh wow. I'm not alone. We're all pretty messed up. 


 Jesse
 All over the world. It's the same thing. Same cause the same effect. 


 Josh
 Yeah. Yeah. 


 Jesse
 What you do, you could go out and build a thousand homes. You can go out and jump from airplanes every day. You can become the president of the world. Right. But that's not who you are. That's just what you do. You're not what you do. A lot of people get their identity from what they do, thinking that's who they are. And it's not. It's just what you do. It's not who you are. I'm like, Jesse, Reverend definitely abused it. Right. It's just a title. I don't get my identity from a title at all the title, just telling you what type of work I do. The title is not who I am. We're not what we do. We are not what we identify with. How all human beings identify with their imagination. And they think that they're their thoughts. And they think that they're their feelings. 


 Jesse
 They up and down and thoughts and feelings, right? All of those thoughts and feelings are from the devil. You identify with thoughts and feelings, you're really worshiping the devil and you identify with him because all thoughts are from the devil. There's no such thing as a true thought. All, all thoughts are all lies all the time about anything. And, and that's why God said, bring every thought into captivity because all thoughts are all lies. God voice is a revelation Saint and talk to your head. God said, my children were nobody by my voice, which is the voiceless voice. All people who've been traumatized coming through the mother, identify with the devil thoughts as though they are there. They're all because the devil is holler at you and sound like you're a boy. If the pain of the body feel like you're having the loneliness and the anger and the sadness and the fears and the doubt in your body. 


 Jesse
 It feels like you've, but it's not. Is that of the devil. You got to stop, identify with what you think and what you feel. It's not you at all. That's that thing that made a home in you and it made you do the things that you wouldn't ordinarily do. It prevents you from doing the things that you would do that. All right, 


 Josh
 Copy. Step one, go to mom, forgive her step two, because dad's gone. There's a lot of dudes listening in, to be honest, that their dad was not in the picture or they're dead or behind bars or whatever the case may be. So, man, let's talk about that, right? For, for dads who weren't there, who didn't show up, who didn't protect what you have to say for those guys who are going, yeah, I'd love to, 


 Jesse
 That you have to get to know yourself and you must love your earthly father. Because if you don't love your earthly father, you would never know God. How can you say you love God and who you never see and hate your earthly father, who you haven't seen because the earthly father was sons of God. Even though they've been turned away, they are sheer sons of God. When you hate the sign, you hate the father. So men have to love their earthly. Father loved her. Symphony me don't hate don't resent. Don't be angry. And we are not angry. God's love is working through you instead of Satan's nature. They forgive their earthly father, because fathers love their children. When fathers leave, they don't leave their children. They leave the wife, they leave the mother of the children. The mother made the kids think that the father left the kids. 


 Jesse
 She doesn't tell you know what? Your father loved you. When he left me. I was a b***h and he couldn't deal with me. 


 Josh
 Right. 


 Jesse
 Make you think, oh, he was an alcoholic. He was a drug addict. He was a murderer. She gave you the impression that he left you, but it's not true because the hardest thing in the world for a woman to do, she would destroy you. She would destroy the cat, the dog, the flowers, the children, before she can admit that she was wrong. It's everybody else's fault, but hers and she'll blame everyone but herself. They turned the children away from the father. So that they'll feel like they're right. Even though they still don't find comfort in that, but it's hard for their ego to admit that it's wrong. Men have to forgive their fathers, just knowing, by knowing themselves it will cause them to forgive their fathers. 


 Josh
 Do you have a separate email for hate mail? I'm sure you get it, man. I'm sure people will send it out. What's the, if you read through all the hate mail, which I don't even know, if you I'd love to hear your thoughts on how do you, how do you protect yourself from getting down? Right? If, if you're getting a lot of backlash, 


 Jesse
 Well, the way I protect myself is by not protecting myself because there is no stuff to protect. I were in the beginning before I understood the whole picture and I'm still growing in it, right? I used to protect that. Not me, the ego, like when someone say bad things about you feel pain about that. You worry, right? That's the not you. That is the stuff that you should not protect. That's the death of the ego. When you don't protect it, then it would die. God were taken away from you. I, the name caller, just roll off my back because there's no one there to protect. I don't want to protect my ego. If I'm into what people call me and what they say about me, then I'm protecting the ego. In order to live, you must die. The ego must die. So you are not your pain body. 


 Jesse
 You're not the ego. You above that. You don't know it because you forgot you. You don't really know who you are. So you identify with the not you. I protect myself by not protecting myself. 


 Josh
 Okay. Tactically had to do that. 


 Jesse
 It is by having love in my heart and not hate. I don't, I don't hate my enemies. I realize that they cannot see because if they were able to see there, they will see by the light of God. When you see you understand, and when you understand, there's no way you would try to hurt another human being. You will not come. God said we should love our enemies. When I see that they were trying to hurt me. I don't judge them. I don't resent them. I can see that they cannot help themselves forgive them. They know not what they do. They know how love they cannot see. That's why they are attacking because the devil live off your reaction. The devil love arguing with the devil. So he cannot argue with the light. He has to find other darkness in himself and in other people to argue with. 


 Jesse
 And so there's no one to protect. 


 Josh
 How old are you? 


 Jesse
 I am 73. 


 Josh
 Okay. Got it. So 1949. Yes. 


 Jesse
 Exactly. 


 Josh
 Okay. Cool. In your 73 years, what was the hardest thing that you've had to overcome inside your own head between your own ears? 


 Jesse
 The ego, the thoughts and the feeling in the body? Because for a long time, forever and a day, I literally thought that I was the thoughts. I thought I created my own thoughts. The voices in my head just sounded like me. I thought it was me. I didn't know. It was the devil that made a home in my mind and disguised itself as me. By giving me thoughts and emotions. I realized that by the light of God, I was like, wow. The hardest thing I've ever had to do and still working on it even today is to endure the death of the ego pain. Because I, I've been so accustomed to listening to thoughts and feelings until it's getting better and better now. That's the hardest thing I've ever had to do was to endure the ego death, which is the nature. The state of the devil is not me. 


 Josh
 Yeah. I've been known to have of an ego growing up. Right. If I look back on all my major catastrophes, like in life and decisions closely associated with the NIGO, right? Yeah. 


 Jesse
 Every human being has an ego and that's why we must be born of the heart at first change the heart from anger to love. You have the power of God. The light of God would takeover. And he would defeat the darkness. Because we've been trying to change the darkness to, I have a issues in life and I will, whenever we're into right. We thought it was us, but it's not. So we would judge yourself for it. We would try to, we don't want to be that way. And were trying to fight it. You only get worse when you try to fight it because it's just two devils fighting together. Once you see by the light, then the light will destroy the darkness, which is the nature of the devil, cannot understand the light. It only understand darkness, but then light understand the darkness and the light. 


 Jesse
 The light can destroy the darkness, which is the ego, 


 Josh
 Which is ego. 


 Jesse
 Did you know that all thoughts, all lies all the time. 


 Josh
 What's that? 


 Jesse
 Did you know that all thoughts, all lies all the time? No sustains or true thoughts? 


 Josh
 No, I don't get what you mean by that. You mentioned that before and it's just like, okay, I can have a thought right now. Like, man, I really liked this JLP guy. Like I, I enjoy it. Like I enjoy the conversation and the mission you're on. I love my kids a little bit. Right? Like those evil or those bad thoughts are those my thoughts. I don't get what you're sharing is all thoughts are evil or lies. 


 Jesse
 There are practical thoughts. Right. You got to get up and go to work tomorrow morning. 


 Josh
 Well, hold on. I'm getting a little feedback from your mic. 


 Jesse
 Oh, okay. 


 Josh
 Sorry about that. I don't, 


 Jesse
 There are practical thoughts. 


 Josh
 Okay. 


 Jesse
 You got to get up and get ready for work tomorrow morning, have breakfast, whatever you do. Right? You wake up, you do your silent prayer and you go have breakfast. And, but you don't hold on to the thought of having breakfast. Why don't you have breakfast is done. You need to put gas in your car. Once you put the gas in your car, what I need to hold onto that anymore. Right? It's just a practical thought. The other thought that I'm talking about is coming from, coming from the imagination, good. You were it. You're not gonna make it through today. You're nobody. They make you feel good. As soon as you feel good, then they bring you down and tell you, oh, what about tomorrow? Or what about yesterday? Those are evil thoughts. They are not of you. You, when you compare yourself to someone else that's evil. 


 Jesse
 When you, when you compete, when you think, what you want, all those thoughts of the devil, we should let those stars pass. We, you judge your fellow man or judge yourself. All those kinds of thoughts are evil. They had not. Have you, would they make you think about tomorrow or there is no tomorrow. When it makes you think about yesterday, there is no yesterday, whatever happened yesterday happened then. And when it happened, it was done. It happened in the present happened now. Once that moment was over, that was over. The devil will remind you of it as though it's still exists. All those kinds of things are not of you. And you should not believe in them. 


 Josh
 All right. I don't know if I'm there, but I do know like my fear of tomorrow, let's just use that one. Cause that's an easy one. Especially with the world falling to s**t. Like we're, there's wars and rumors of wars and there's all this, excitement going on. I'm I'm loading up on ammunition. I just got a new gun. I'm like, all right. Like in my little brain, I'm like, yeah, I could do something about it. Right. But I got fear. I don't want my kids to suffer. I don't want bad things to happen to my kids. I don't want whatever. I don't want bad things to happen. I don't want evil to cross over my threshold. So I'm afraid. Right? I know that's a lack of faith in God about tomorrow. 


 Jesse
 And so what good is it doing? Doing you to be afraid. 


 Josh
 Preparation, 


 Jesse
 But what. 


 Josh
 For not being prepared for tomorrow. 


 Jesse
 And where is tomorrow? 


 Josh
 It makes me feel better. 


 Jesse
 That's ego, but it's a false sense of feeling better. W where is tomorrow? 


 Josh
 Tomorrow. 


 Jesse
 Where? 


 Josh
 I don't know tomorrow. It's tomorrow. 


 Jesse
 Where is it though? 


 Josh
 It's not here. 


 Jesse
 Why are you thinking about something that doesn't as this? 


 Josh
 Because I'm a control freak. 


 Jesse
 No, you're listening to the devil. 


 Josh
 Okay. 


 Jesse
 Anytime you do that, you're worshiping the devil. You believe in him who? Because in God, there is no time in God. There is no yesterday, no tomorrow. There's only. Now. That's why he said come into my presence. We you're living right now in the present. You're with God and Satan cannot come into the presence of God. He had to bring you out of the present by making you think about tomorrow or yesterday, Saint as into time, God has sent you now the present. So you need to watch those thoughts. You don't think about tomorrow it as this evil, God tell you take no thought about tomorrow. Take no thought about yesterday, but St has you doing that? And you're thinking that is you. That's why you have the fear because you're listening to the devil. 


 Josh
 Well, that's convicting. Do you have a lot of friends? Jeez. 


 Jesse
 And God, there is no fear. 


 Josh
 Yeah. 


 Jesse
 What you forgive your mother though. God will forgive you and he will give you perfect love. You're going, love your mother and everybody with perfect love and imperfect. Perfect love, cast out fear. 


 Josh
 Perfect. Love casts out, all fear you mentioned. So I appreciate you. I see. I love the challenge, right? Like I love when wisdom kicks you in the nuts and you're challenged. Right? Cause if it's things a little, there's probably truth in there, right? 


 Jesse
 Absolutely man. 


 Josh
 I, for the guys out there, you can always hit me up and be like, dude, that was challenging or this guy's, crazy or whatever the case may be. You can always hit us back up and let us know if you're being challenged. Like I am right now. 


 Jesse
 I do want to tell you that. Yeah. Most people unlike you, most people are not seeking the truth. They're not seeking first, the kingdom of God in his right way. Most people are going to take that wide road that leads to destruction. They are not able to stay on the straight and narrow by themselves. They have to join a club, have to form a club. They need the devil need to form army because the devil cannot stand alone. Those who are seeking the kingdom of God, they can stand alone. That's why you and I can have this conversation. It's not personal because you are seeking the kingdom of God, his right way. If you just stay on that path and watch it's going to be mind blowing for you. 


 Josh
 Yeah. I'm going to, I'm going for a dude. Cause I've been in the other direction and it made me want to destroy myself. 


 Jesse
 To be. 


 Josh
 Honest or destroy others or destroy, or I wound up destroying and self-destructing business or career or money, right. Like I'd get close to something and not destroy it. Right. Like the, the other way didn't work for this guy. 


 Jesse
 That's right. Same here. I, I have tried before waking up, I tried twice to take my own life, because I didn't like the hell that I was living in, but I didn't know. I didn't, I knew it was hell, but I didn't know how to get out of it. The devil had convinced me that it was me. He convinced me that all the way out and should take your own life. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Thank God that I didn't. Because now I know, so stay on that straight and narrow path and don't give up, don't give up on you. You will see that God is with you. I don't care what anyone else says, what they do. You wish them, well, let them go their way. Don't try to make them believe anything. You just stay on that path and your family will be fine because when you, the father returned to God, that love would be passed down to your wife and to your children. 


 Jesse
 And that love would change. Whatever the problem is, it would change that because greater is he that's in you than he does in the world. 


 Josh
 Or you mentioned, and I've heard this before the silent prayer, like it's something that you're well for. 


 Jesse
 Yes. The guy said that who you pray be still and know him. Right? You don't have to be asking for anything because whenever you pray asking and begging, it's all ego, it's all vanity. It's all vague because we don't know what we want. We don't know what we need. He does. He will provide all that. You pray, be still relaxed and just, this is my ego and you just, why should he thoughts coming and going? Like you watching a movie, you sit back here, watch a movie on television or something. And you're not in the movie. You're the observer of the movie. That's what you must do is to observe the thoughts and not be in the thoughts. You will see that you're not your thoughts. You'll be separate from them. You sit, you just sit and relax and watch the thoughts, just watch them. 


 Jesse
 You could close your eyes and watch the thoughts coming and going. Or you can just watch. Sometimes you find yourself in them in a way, you're in a thought, you get a feeling, you cannot get the feelings without the thoughts. It makes you feel afraid, lonely or scared or something. Right? But those are ego. Thoughts of the Devin is not you. Will you just pray and watch the light? We'll do the rest for you. The light is the one that, which is the nature of God that allows you to see that you are not your thoughts cut out and hoovered in Holland and Karen. I recommend you do the silent prayer. You can go to my YouTube channel on www.silentprayer.video. Okay. You can just give it a try, do your little Hoover to Holland, and then it's calm down. Be still and know God. You'll see which one that works for you. 


 Josh
 If you, me and God, we're hanging out. I know we are. Cause you know, God's with us. Right. Like, let's just say he comes down and we get to hang out with him. One-on-one have a cup of coffee. All right. If he has coffee, I don't even know. Right. What's one question that you would ask him about you. 


 Jesse
 That's a good question. I would want to know. Oh, I would want to know. I've learned, so the question about, I mean, what I'm about to tell you, I kind of already know some ass. I'm about to tell you what I've already kind of know, but I don't know to the fullest. I would want to know why is it so hard for me to just let go of the ego completely? How did I identify with it so deeply not realizing that's what I had done and how come it's so why is it so hard for me to just let it die? I would want to know that. 


 Josh
 Yeah. I'm married to my ego. Like it is, it's my identity. It's wrapped up in me. It man. It's so like the weeds are like so interwoven and I'm trying to rip them out, but it feels like as fast as I rip them out over, they grow back over here and I'm like, dang, I need some weed killer on this eco. 


 Jesse
 Yeah. What? I've come to realize. I know what you mean, man. What I've come to realize don't fight against it at all. You just need to observe it. You just need to know this is not you. The thoughts are not you and the light will defeat it. You can't fight it all by yourself. We can do nothing and of ourselves. We know nothing. It's all ego. If you just observe it, if the light of God in you, that's allowing you to see it is also destroying it. It won't feel like it for a while. Sometimes you'll get that in growth, away from it. You'll get that freedom feeling, but it just won't feel like it. Eventually it will because eventually the devil would have to depart from you and he'll go deal with some other lost. So, because he see that he has lost you. 


 Jesse
 He can't deceive you anymore. He can't control your animal. He can't accuse you. He is the accuser and he won't be able to do it. So he'll depart from you. 


 Josh
 That's pretty cool. All right. So we just. 


 Jesse
 Amazing. 


 Josh
 It is cool. It is cool. Cause I fight my own battles. I'm a fighter, right? Five foot, eight tiny man fighter. Right? Like, I feel that I could conquer this on my own, 


 Jesse
 You can't, I can't, that's a lie. That's the devil is deceiving. You it's a spiritual battle. We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against spirits and principalities of wickedness in high places. There's nothing we can do really. As soon as you accept that, by seeing it, you stop. That's when things will start to change. 


 Josh
 All right. We just finished our coffee with gab. He puts us arms on JLP Reverend JLP and he looks you in the eyes and he says one thing to you. What do you think that, what do you think he would say to you? What's that one thing that you think you need to hear from God? 


 Jesse
 Right? Like I'm just, I don't know, but we're just doing this and this thing right now. I think he would tell me to completely let go. 


 Josh
 Yeah, 


 Jesse
 I got you. Let your ego die down into hell and you will rise. I'll catch you before you fall. You know how Christ descended into hell. And then he rose. That's what happens when the ego die? You just send it to hell and then you arrive. God will catch you before you fall all the way into hell and he'll bring you out of it. And you shall live. 


 Josh
 Yeah. That is scary as hell. Isn't it? 


 Jesse
 What does, 


 Josh
 Yeah. All right. So we just had coffee with God. Now we could go in any point in history of mankind and hang out with someone else. It could be a musician, an actor, someone famous, who are we going to go have dinner with me? You and this person, 


 Jesse
 I will, I would rather hang out with other wise men, man. When I read books, I like reading books from that's been written by men from the 18 hundreds and years ago. Right. Because they didn't have cell phones and they didn't have podcasts and they didn't have, so they didn't have all this distraction. They were, it was easier for them to listen to God because they weren't so distracted. And so they'll wiser. I would love to just sit and Hey out, have coffee with men who are wise and it has me by being wise, I, I like that kind of thing. Men who have gone through things and they managed to overcome. 


 Josh
 Yeah. 


 Jesse
 I would love to talk to the wise man who, the founders of America, for example, when there was nothing, they came from another world discovered and created the greatest country on this side of heaven. They did it with the help of God. I would love to sit and talk to them to see what that was all about. You know? How were you able to just do that? To turn nothing into something that kind of stuff. 


 Josh
 Yeah. That'd be cool. 


 Jesse
 How about you? 


 Josh
 Which part, 


 Jesse
 If you can, once you have breakfast, lunch with God and now you want to have w Y people who would it be? 


 Josh
 Man? I, I would really, I think I'd want to hang out with, in the Bible, David. Right. I not, when he's the king and he's chasing best Sheba and like checking out hot chicks on the roofs. After he just slayed Goliath and he's conquering armies, and then he has to run and go hide in a cave. Like, God speaking to him when he's hiding, running fearful and God's rebuilding him, I think I'd want to hang out with him there to see what's going on in his heart and his mind as he rebuilds to be the king. I think I'd want to hang out there. 


 Jesse
 Yup. Exactly what happened to David and to rebuilding you realize that God never just you, he knew why you did what you did. He knows that it's not your fault. You did it because you was in a fallen state and you can help yourself. Right? He never judged, but the devil made you judge yourself. You think it, God is judging you and he's not. And so will you overcome that? Will you stop playing God? He rebuild you for the lack of better word. He really bring you out of the night, you into his world, into the higher consciousness, rather than that little consciousness, he bring you into his mindset. He renews your mind and you, right. I would love to have a compass every David as well. 


 Josh
 Yeah, that'd be cool. The founding fathers and David w we'll get, we'll just create a little mastermind, pull David ma the founding fathers will have a chat with them and bring God and have a cup of coffee. That's, that is I think us guys, what, the, one of the things that I'm learning, the older I get is I do need other dudes. I need other dudes who have wisdom who have life experiences that could speak into my life. That could grab me when I'm like making a bunch of poor decisions and go, Josh, I love you, dude. You got what it takes. You can do this. With bond, I saw an email, like, as you guys were, when I was looking at it, email, I saw bond. I was like, who the heck am I having a conversation with? But you have a brother. What, what's it stand for? 


 Josh
 Bonds. 


 Jesse
 Brotherhood organization of a new destiny. We are rebuilding the family by rebuilding the man, bring you back the order of God. We also, we have entrepreneurial academy when were teaching, were really doing it a lot here in the location before the Chinese virus thing happened. And what we're. Doing is we, there are men who, once they overcome that anger, they have desire to start businesses or they're trying to start a bender. We kind of show them how to get that going. I started a credit union, so we could, if they need the money, we can loan them the money. They pay back to the credit union so we can keep it going. I am now building a network, radio network, podcast, network, whatever you want to call it, because what I want to do is have 24 hour, top for 24 hour conservative men, not afraid, not angry, not judging. 


 Jesse
 We want them, I want to build a network so that, golf would be it. I have a retire or not doing it. I want to see these guys take over and keep it going. So we built an, a network. We counsel a counselor, men and women, families, and individual counselor around the world, either by fall or Skype or in person. As I mentioned, we have the women's forum, men informing meeting on Sunday for everybody. Were pretty busy and I really encourage men to start their own businesses. Buy some land, a man should buy land so that, he can become as independent as possible. Most of all, stop judging himself and others. So he can go free. 


 Josh
 Yeah. Being free, man, I'm working on that process. Right? I've got some baby steps that you gave me some homework to do. Let me ask this question. You're 73 years old. You said, well, maybe if I ever do retire or whatever, which I don't ever see you stopping s**t. Right, guys, I guess just don't stop. Let's just say, 10 years from now, I come visit, you were having another cup of coffee. We're sitting on a rocking chair out front and we look back and we go, we did some work together and we go, we did it, man, JLB. And Josh, we did it. What's that one thing that you're like, if you could look back and you'd say, we nailed it, we did it. What is that? 


 Jesse
 That men and women would have returned to the father. Now we have love on the earth. Instead of hate. There was so much anger and anger is hatred that it's destroying America. Just, I've never seen such anger in our country as I do now. The enemies of God, how the people fight them off each other over nothing stupid stuff like racism. There's no such thing as racism. It's just a made up word. It has never existed. It does not exist. It's just a made up word that the enemy uses to keep you blind from the fact that it's a spiritual battle, a battle between good and evil, right. Versus wrong. We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against spirits and principalities that wickedness. Right? There's no such thing as racism, sexism, homophobia, ism, Islamophobia is a lot. Debbie dad is a re a white supremacism antisemitism. 


 Jesse
 No ism is either right or wrong, good or evil. Right. If I were to reflect and I see that a handful of men and women have returned to the father, I would have, I, I can die and be satisfied. 


 Josh
 Or. 


 Jesse
 Because I know for fat and without a doubt, I would not be doing what I'm doing. If God didn't cause me to do it. That is to point people back to him pointed, 


 Josh
 We. 


 Jesse
 Turned to the father. Yeah. 


 Josh
 You got to look at your calendar real quick. Cause I think you have a, an appointment coming up. I, I, I have a hard time. Let's do this. Where could guys go right now to connect with you and to learn more about what you're working on and maybe go, Hey, I'm interested in this network. I need to build a business. I need help doing that. Where could they go to connect with you? 


 Jesse
 They can go to rebuilding demand.com rebuilding the man.com or Jesse Lee peterson.com or Jesse Lee peterson.com. 


 Josh
 Cool. Cool. Cool. Let's do this man. I know you got to go guys. I love you as always reach out to our guests. All their contact information will be in the show notes below, connect with them directly say, Hey, I heard you on the show and I need help building a business, becoming a man forgiven dad, figuring out who I am. I need help reach out to JLP and get some help guys that love you. If, if there's anything you're working on or want to tell them, come share your wisdom, head on over to uncensored advice for men.com. Fill out a quick form, get you on the show next till then talk to you all on the next episode. Love you guys. 

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Jesse Lee Peterson is a pastor, counselor, author, radio & TV talk show host. He grew up on a plantation near Tuskegee, Alabama, during the Jim Crow era. He moved to Los Angeles at 18. After discovering forgiveness, he founded BOND in 1990 to help other black men overcome anger, but soon found all people needed the truth.

At BOND, Jesse counsels with individuals, couples and families, speaking with people around the world. He leads Church services, Men’s Forums, Women’s Forums, conferences, and Town Hall meetings. He’s also a provocative and much-loved speaker and media commentator