On Following Sheep with Neil Twa

 00:02
josh
Good day fellows. Welcome to uncensored advice for men on today's show. This should get interesting. We're having a conversation about following the sheep with Mr. Neil. I still don't know how to pronounce your last name twice. 

 00:14
Neil
You can just spell it out. Everybody else does. 

 00:16
josh
TWA. Mr. TWA. 

 00:19
Neil
It's not a PhD. It's not an MBA. It's a TWA. 

 00:22
josh
TWA. It sounds like a flight school or something. So Neil, welcome to the show, dude. 

 00:26
Neil
Thanks man. Appreciate you having. 

 00:27
josh
You following the sheep. You just bought a, another domain, your domain guy too. 

 00:33
Neil
Oh, squatters. 

 00:34
josh
Squatter. And, but it's about following the sheep. And what do you mean? What, what do you see in this world with guys? 

 00:41
Neil
Well, this is going to be relevant to this point. I'm not sure when this will air, but literally in the last 24 hours we've had, whereas now being lovingly referred to as slap gate OHS to do with, the whole wheel Smith thing and Chris rock. I don't even know if he could talk about this on our air. This may, this may get no reach bringing this up on your podcast, but sheep and the, the idea that we're transitioning topics that the media literally wants us to follow along with. You may not be aware of what the ratings for that whole Oscars debacle. It was like, it's still through the floor. It was like the worst ever in history last year. This ratings, I just looked up earlier. It was like the second worst. They got higher than they did last year, which was like the worst ever. 

 01:21
Neil
So what do you do? You slap somebody on live television or you stay just lap, the debatable thing, and then you get the ratings back up or at least the social media. Cause I know what I scrolled about. I don't know about you, but anybody that listened to this, it was like all of a sudden rise newsfeed was just like, just all, the best memes ever about Chris rock and will Smith slap at getting slapped or doing the slapping paper meets hands. There's just so many great memes out there. I can't keep up with it, but literally it just changed like so fast to media, ? All of a sudden it was Ukraine previous to that was COVID and then COVID died and now we're under Ukraine and then Ukraine now leads onto this and it's just the, fall follow the sheep because you could just see it happen. 

 01:59
Neil
That's that's literally a joke here. The domain was word to the sheep because I was sharing something in my telegram group this morning and it, and I just said word to the sheep and I'm like, Hey, I make a great domain name. Let's let's register that. And see, 

 02:10
josh
I can tell you almost always have my domain registry opens as I was talking to someone, something a cool topic comes up. I'm like, yep. I'll buy that one. 

 02:19
Neil
Yeah. I believe that's still available. Let's just squat on it. What are you gonna do with that? I have no idea. I'm just gonna sit on it for whatever reason. Yeah. Go grab your bond and. 

 02:27
josh
Register you a math guy. Like a meth. 

 02:30
Neil
Well, I mean, I live in like, oh, math. I'm like, are we talking about that on Eric? Cause the second thing, I mean, I'd look a lot different if I was a math guy, am I a math guy? Knew that is my wife. She's an RN by trade. She was schooled in a BSN and everything. She's she's the math person. I'm the business math person, but not like the math person in our house. I'm more of the literal study business psychology guy who talks about sales and marketing and other stuff with my kids. We homeschool. I don't know if he knew that, but so, but I'm not the math guy, not my house. 

 03:03
josh
I was going to ask you a question like, all right. We buy a domain for 12 bucks and then someone offered you five, someone offered me five, seems like a, the good offer 5k to throw out an offer. I said, no, you said no. 

 03:16
Neil
I said, no. Well, any dollar domain to a $5,000 purchase is a pretty good ROI. Yeah. That's return on investment for the literally illiterate in the financial illiterate. The, the guy actually came back and offered me 15 as were joking about a minute ago. And I'm like, no man, to rebrand. It's like a minimum of a hundred, which is actually true because that's used as part of our business domain. It's used for a lot of business. We do in the redirection marketing side. I'm like, there's no way I could go back and we'd have to remark it this whole campaign and shift stuff around. I'm like, it's not even worth minimum that, but he hadn't come back after that offer go figure, he goes to me. 

 03:50
josh
Yeah. He goes to Julian over $85,000 difference. Come. 

 03:54
Neil
On people. 

 03:56
josh
5k and get your feelings hurt over 85 K. 

 04:00
Neil
The world we're living in today. It's incredible. 

 04:04
Josh
Sydney. 

 04:05
Neil
Yeah. 

 04:06
josh
Who are you? And what do you do, right? You and I've had chats prior to this, but guys in the audience may not know you who are, 

 04:12
Neil
The last name is actually trois pronounced. It's actually French. As far back as we could track it. Like some of my family loves the genealogy thing. I'm not so much into it, but I think it's cool to even though the history, which is fun. I got my parents, or easy to follow on my mom's side of the family, cause they tracked it back. Their six kids, it goes back in time. My dad on the other hand had much more difficult childhood. His family is harder to come attract back because he was given away when he was young to his aunt and uncle. But he, his family leaning ology. We finally tracked of a back to France Normandy, which were the descendants of the Vikings. Since I'm blonde haired, blue eyed, six foot five. It sort of makes sense. Now why that also falls through my genes. 

 04:50
Neil
Parents were raised in, mostly in the Midwest. My dad was from Minnesota, my mom from California at this point when they met and as they eventually met and lived in the Missouri area, which is where I am now stationed is that they eventually got us to Oregon. I grew up in Oregon, loved Oregon was fun. It was very heard about manly. It was very rugged. We, boy Scouts for us was more like cross training for the military because you would go out into the woods and shoot things and hunt things and cross rivers and swim lakes and stay outside for three days in a NICU igloo and get your badge. It wasn't like making papier-mache dolls and crap at the dinner table at your house that wasn't boy Scouts for us. This was way different. We got to spend a lot of time outside hunting and fishing and my uncles spend time outside. 

 05:35
Neil
We would go to the mountains whenever we got a chance in the Oregon mountains are like, one hour from the local city there in rogue valley. And you're in the mountains. Like you can get in a lot of trouble, really fast. The snows when I were a kid are not what they were today. We would go up to places like crater lake and stuff in the woods. It was like 300, 600 plus inches of snow. They don't get that anymore due to whatever you want to call it. I'm not a big, I'm a climate change denier. As we go through history, I left for college. I turned to 18 in February and graduated in may. I was that guy at the tail end. I was 17 until right before I graduated, went off to college. I decided to do college as a, a fail, a backfill of fail back. 

 06:17
Neil
What's the right phrase. Say, as I fall back, thank you to you. The words out to go into the air force. My dad's a Navy guy, eight years in the military, two tours in Vietnam, very honorable, hardworking, just amazing guy. I decided I wanted to be a fighter pilot. That was what I wanted to do, man. It had nothing to do with Maverick. We didn't really have televisions in our house. We had a forestation rabbit ears, and that's all we got to watch when I was a kid. I didn't really understand any of that. I just wanted to fly. I wanted to go fast. I wanted to race. I wanted to see what I was capable of and at my size and shape, they rejected me. So I'm like, dang it. I wanted to fly fighter planes or nothing. They said, you have to go fly helicopters and other stuff. 

 06:54
Neil
And that'd be cool. Now come to think of it. I can fly a helicopter, but back then it was like, no, it's like, you can get the transport planes. You can maybe, aviation mechanic and this kind of stuff. I'm like, no, man, I wanna fly fighters. Like you can't do that. My fall back was a music scholarship. I had a F re music scholarship when Allstate and Oregon got picked up by a couple of universities who funded almost all my education to go play music, jazz and classical. I went out and actually the liberal arts college in Iowa picked me up. I went out to the cornfields of Iowa from the state of Oregon. That was a major life change. They say it gained freshmen 20. I think I gained freshmen 50 cause I was so depressed. Living in the cornfields of Iowa was a very different life, very different way of doing things, being outdoors and eating healthy and all this stuff then turned into the like typical Midwestern scenario, in those years for me. 

 07:43
Neil
And I was like, oh my gosh. I was, I didn't want to go to college. That was part of the prom. I failed out twice. I had to get reinstated twice, had to go sit in front of the president, explain why I should get back in college because I didn't know what I wanted to do with my life. I was just figuring out that I didn't want to be a musician. By year three I kind of transferred a business into computer science and decided, Hey, maybe that's where I should be. That's kind of interesting to me and right about then the internet rounded the corner. When that occurred with it, man, this is where I want to go. This is what I want to do. Academics at that point, hadn't caught up. There was no track. There was nothing. It was like go to computer science, which takes you to what's called Fortran and COBOL and server programming and all this stuff. 

 08:21
Neil
I'm like, man, I'm going to get in front of a green screen and program. The rest of my life, that's gonna suck. I dropped out and I went and got a programming job cause I taught myself programming. Couldn't really learn at the university, looked web program, HTML that became ASP server, active server pages and stuff taught literally on the fly. How to do that because no one really knew how to do that. I went and got a programming job at a consulting firm in Kansas city and then spent a couple of years working my way into that learning literally how to program on the fly and develop knowledge bases and systems and stuff. Sprint PCs was developed, which was the first mobile phone division. And they started collecting people from all. I was a contractor at one of those places and I saw a job app for it. 

 09:02
Neil
I said, Hey, we're launching this exciting new mobile division. And we need people. They were coming from all inside or whatever. Contractors, employees, whoever, when we applied, I got accepted as a full-time employee with no degree and very experienced in programming. I'm now leading a team of five people whose average age were 20 years older than me onto creating a knowledge system that would allow the spread PCs phones to be supportive. As they went out into the field brand, new phones, brick phones, a one pound phone. And, and so I was involved in the team that was supporting the customer reps and there's about 2,500 reps in the field. And literally we're just launching like crazy. I was the 5,000 employees was an insane time to be involved in this and watch that role too. By the time I left five years later, we had that 2,500 reps went to 25,000. 

 09:44
Neil
Those 5,000 people went to 80,000. We watched the mobile division, just go and explode into sprint and had a lot of opportunity in that and to kind of shine and learn some very important things about business during that timeframe inside the corporate environment, having to work my way through, without a education, I had to work my way through on my brain and my networking and my skills and my communication, and literally figured out something very simple that kind of helped me get to the next step. It was who I know that got me there. It was what I know that kept me there. As I would get into these things, I would just learn, I would be up late. I would figure it out. Right. That got the attention of a couple of partners from IBM and saw the work that I did there. And they were on a position job. 

 10:23
Neil
They said, Hey, you should come out and interview for this position in Armonk. Someone had already spoken for me. By the time I showed up in our monk to do the job interview, they just shook hands and said, it's great. Glad to be here. Here's your IBM badge number. You're an IBM or now I said, oh cool. For almost five years, I worked at IBM, basically doing knowledge management systems for high-tech and computer sciences and knowledge management for systems and customer support stuff for IBM inside of telcos and high-tech and got to sit in the rest of the mobile divisions like Verizon and stuff. I've got to be on the set on the boards of that and hanging out with them, which was fun and present all them. Got to get into the financial stuff down in Thompson, financial debt, right before they bought Reuters, which was a big explosion inside of that company. 

 11:03
Neil
I was in hanging out wall street down on Fulton street, doing a project with that. I kind of just saw myself like ramping by the time I got through all that stuff, it was kinda like, well, what next do I keep trying to climb this corporate ladder of IBM? Or do I do my own thing? I'd always wanted to do my own thing. I always had an inclination to do it. As it turns out, I had a rich dad, poor dad story of my dad and the Navy veteran was a very good hardworking mechanic guy learned under cars, very smart dude, but didn't really know a lot about finances and business. That just wasn't his forte. It wasn't his experience. He didn't have an education to do it. My uncle on the other hand did and started a company building tremor on boats. I spent a good part of my early twenties talking to him and learning from him and networking with him and understanding the successes he was having in his boat business that led to much greater things. 

 11:50
Neil
He opened my eyes to a lot of opportunities. I knew that the corporate thing was something I would jump out of eventually. And I did. When they came to say, Hey, it's time for us to either move you to another division, which is going to Argentina or it's time for you to retire. I said, Hey, good, let's retire. I retired the same year I got married, which is the same year we found out were pregnant, which was the same year. My wife had to go on bed rest. In the span of one year, we found ourselves with a new business, new family, new house and mortgage and no income. Hey, when people say there's not a good time to start a business, that was the perfect time to not start a business, but how would I know? Right. I wouldn't have any clue. He started the life. 

 12:26
Neil
Things just went crazy all of a sudden. By year two of our marriage, I found myself, unemployed. She was unemployed. We had a new baby on the way and life had to dramatically change in order to deal with some of the medical stuff. Long story short, I've had to reinvent myself a couple of times. I have wrecked a marriage prior to that one. I mean, I'd absolutely obliterated it. I'm definitely at fault for much of what happened there. Yeah. The story is, she goes out on me, that's a real easy to say. She went out and found another guy and traveled around when I was traveling with IBM, she was traveling to meet other guys on the internet. When you back that up and you realize that it's easy to pick on her for that, honestly, why'd she do that. And that's an introspective thing. 

 13:06
Neil
I've had to learn as a man to come to accept later on, she did those things because I was a terrible husband and I was a really a bad person for her and I wasn't the right person for her. I didn't know how to be the right person for her. As a man, I think a lot of people struggle with that. Your identity in your major age. And I did struggle with that. My arrogant prideful, prick self literally helped destroy that. What else did she have to do? An introspect, it's a long time coming to a realization that I was a big part of destroying that, but in the end, 

 13:35
josh
Move on from this. Yeah, dude. All right. We've, we've covered a lot of ground here. 

 13:41
Neil
I'm talking a hundred miles an hour. 

 13:42
josh
Yeah. This is something that I think guys need to hear. Right. We need to pause and sit in this s**t right here is. 

 13:50
Neil
It's deep stuff. 

 13:51
josh
You're in a relationship you're traveling and you're like, I'm the worst husband ever. I'm a Dick, whatever she's running around. When you found out that you were running around with IBM, she was running around with Ben or whatever. Painless. Right. 

 14:06
Neil
I hope his name. Wasn't Ben. Cause I'd rather, yeah. I don't remember. Yeah. Ben, you jerk. No. 

 14:13
josh
Ben. 

 14:14
Neil
Fricken been from California. 

 14:17
josh
At what point did it go from you pointing the finger at her yelling to you going, Hey maybe this is my deal. 

 14:27
Neil
Well, it was a long time on a silly, in a lot of introspective time, even some counseling later on to deal with the confidence issues and things that I struggled with, years after all that occurred, it was, the greatest epiphany I think has come later on after being married and finding a woman in this situation that while they still have to work in it's not the same level of work while I want to put the work into it. It wasn't the same level of difficulty and recognizing the challenges of the past and the things that I would react to differently as a man than that I do now in the way that I see it literally just, it wasn't, it was a slow roll. It wasn't any one thing was probably a number of like a pivot knees along the way. As I went through a changing my life and reinventing what I was and who I was, because that completely destroyed me. 

 15:16
Neil
It destroyed me as a person. It destroyed me financially. It destroyed my credit. It literally took my savings and life and business down to the point where, when I did have to exit that relationship eventually after a year of divorce, that had to be filed twice because I found out in halfway through the divorce, we had to redo it because she had filed under a different name, with a different license and a different social security card. She'd literally invented herself to hide what she was doing. We had to go back and refile the divorce under the new name, new, social security. We had to start the whole process over. Can you imagine, dude, what a weird time to get through like the divorce only to find out the lady whose name you thought in life, you thought existed over here. It turns out to be a totally different person with a totally different name and a totally different life. 

 15:59
Neil
Like that was insane, right? 

 16:01
josh
Twice at one time. 

 16:03
Neil
Yeah, so we had to divorce twice. Went through all the process out into this person that had to go all the way to the end and then found out on the day were supposed to close the divorce down that the judge was like, who is this other person? I'm like, hi, I don't know who this other person is. He starts reading off all his information and stuff. Here she is over here going well, that's me. And I'm like, what? Like what? Yeah, that blew my world apart. Like, it wasn't enough to go through the divorce and I have to deal with that then to find out that the lady that I was living with for almost two years had changed her identity and was living under a completely different identity. 

 16:38
josh
Yeah. Now you take responsibility for a lot of that. Now she did some naughty stuff too. 

 16:44
Neil
She was still doing some naughty stuff. 

 16:46
josh
Yeah. Yeah. Fricking Ben. 

 16:49
Neil
Ben back in California get jerk. 

 16:52
josh
With when you said counseling some time To get to the point where you could point the finger at you and go, all right. I, I own some of this too. How, how long did that take? How long was it before you can have a healthy relationship stepping into your. 

 17:12
Neil
Well, were together for six, but the two, almost three years was massive separation and fighting and total destruction of that. For those two years, were apart, were separated. We weren't really together. There was a period of that time before that Iowa, I had time to change life and adapt and start to become, who I am as a single guy and start to change the life that I had as these things were finalizing. It would, it was two to four years after that I had met a girl and I was not in a place to have a relationship. It was very clear that anybody I was talking to was just friends. Nobody's looking, nobody searching, not making any, flirt patients. That's just like not in the mood to talk about anything relationship-driven. It drove a number of friendships with ladies that, were able to be fun and free and just, careless, if you will, to a degree, not with them, just with the idea that there's nothing to be serious here about. 

 18:05
Neil
That, one particular person stood out in that someone who was listening, somebody who identified somebody who, understood what I had walked through and didn't judge me for it, which was very interesting because so many family and friends had basically distanced themselves from me during that period. If you want to find out your family and friends are truly get divorced or go bankrupt, 

 18:23
josh
I'd rather find a bet another way. Do those by only two options. If I want, 

 18:27
Neil
I have two options because I did both of them and I will take great filters to get your sand from your rock, to sift a and find out what you're standing on. Or if you're standing on rock or standing on sand, I S I was standing on a lot more sand. I realized as I was sinking into the sand, realizing there was a lot less people around me who I thought would wait the storm with me, who turned out to not be interested in doing that at all. Divorce has one stigma to it. Bankruptcy has another different levels of, implications are always pointed at you. People wanted to blame me family that I'd been with for 10 years, who I considered family that was her family now suddenly blamed me for 10 years worth of stuff that, suddenly all my fault. Of course that led to other things, but, it was a continuum breakdown on myself. 

 19:15
Neil
It was a continued breakdown of pulling out of the world. It was a continue continuation of barriers in my mind, ideologies, thoughts, dreams, hopes, and other stuff that I had on these paths that I was walking that started to just break down barrier by barrier. Wall by wall was being crushed. As I saw each of those walls crushing, I started to acknowledged that I could let them crumble, or I could try to hold them back up. I could try to prop them up. I could try to poke my finger in the dam. If you will. I could try to keep these things from crumbling or I could let it fall. I could let it go. As I started to recognize that I could just let it go because what's the worst that can happen was afraid. I kept asking myself, what's the worst that can happen. 

 19:52
Neil
Well, at this point, destruction in life, no finances, I'm restarting life. Again, I'm having to reinvent myself. The worst thing that can happen at this point is I could kill myself and believe it or not, the thought crossed my mind, because what else is there left there, nothing else to take away. What's the worst you can do. And, and this also turns into a struggle with God. Cause I had a walk with him and I had faith walk, but I had also had a lot of misunderstandings, a lot of corporate religiosity. I had a lot of walls there to break down that were also crumbling around it. As I battled to deal with these things, these, you want to call them, people want to call them Demian's. I call them life issues. You can call them whatever you want, mental things, financial things, family, things, whatever. 

 20:34
Neil
Each of those walls kept breaking down. As I started to see them breaking down, I started to realize that I was the one that was trying to prop them up, but God was the one that was trying to take them down. As I started to recognize that I started to surrender to that fall and that fall kept coming and it didn't just keep coming past the divorce. It kept coming into the relationships with other people. I was having an, even my, the wifi I'm with now for 18, 15 years, 18, if you count on the total time together married for 15 is one in which I had to continue to break those walls down so that I could build something with God's help. That would be structurally sound for my wife to stand on. Because at this point I was not a structurally sound man. 

 21:14
Neil
I was a rickety broken dump truck of a wreck that was holding together with duct tape and bailing wire. I was trying to put the world together in such a way where it was presented as a porch. When in actuality, there was nothing under the frame. There's nothing under the hood. There was just a lost defenseless, sad guy who most of the time, was having a lot of trouble with his mental prowess and confidence, right in my self-worth and all of that stuff that comes with it. God was just like, surrender all that, man, just push it all down. Just keep breaking it. Like, jeez, keep crushing, watch what I'm going to do. It was to take took a lot of time for me to surrender even into those first years of my marriage, because God was not done crushing my walls. As he got, as I had to move out of IBM and figure out what I was going to do next and thought I had a game plan, he started crushing those walls down and he started crushing the walls of my belief in marriage to a different level than I originally understood. 

 22:06
Neil
And surrendering. That was just a period after period, including getting up within the first two to three years of our marriage, ending up bankrupt due to a financial deal that I was still struggling in my confidence. I started to put too much trust in people when I normally would let my wall protect me. I was letting that collapse. As I continued to let that collapse, there are people in the world who would take advantage of, oh yeah, they'll see you that week. Other people would be named was take advantage of a guy like me. It's really easy to do. There were people who look at that and say, what? I'm not going to take advantage of you because I have more Morals and standards. There's people that feed on that. They live for it. They look for it and they feed on it. They, a couple of people found me in that way. 

 22:51
Neil
They took advantage of talents and money and resources I had at that point and then just used it. Tossed me aside when the time came. Because of that, I had leveraged myself so far and it was like, well, strategic bankruptcy as the lawyers called it, what was the only thing you could do to indemnify yourself and pull out of this? Well, awesome. Now I've got one more reset on the horizon, right? It's like, your family, new life, new business, new everything, and it all collapses. By year three of our marriage here, we are together with our, my wife in our second, second or third child. I'm going to look at this. Now, the second child, third child pregnant in the basement of the courthouse in Tulsa, Oklahoma filing bankruptcy together. 

 23:31
josh
I had to bring so also bankrupt. I I'm need the club. 

 23:36
Neil
The B club. It's like the mile high club with a B. 

 23:40
josh
It's not anything like the mile high club, this one. 

 23:44
Neil
Plateau. That's all I'm saying, man. It's just one plateau. 

 23:46
josh
For those listening to mile, high club is where you have sex with someone in a hallway. 

 23:51
Neil
And he does it. But no, it's an elevation. That's a distance. Not, not a. 

 23:55
josh
Life is the exact opposite of that. 

 23:58
Neil
You're thinking about it, wrong, your mindsets in scarcity and abundance. I have to correct you if you're not thinking about this. Right. 

 24:05
josh
All right. So I also went bankrupt. There's, there's something that you said that was super cool of when you're lacking confidence self-worth and there was something else then you, you tend to become desperate in sharks, smelled that blood, right? There's people out there who are intentionally going to take advantage of that. Right? That happened. That happened to me a few times. Ultimately went bankrupt, bankrupt, bringing that into a relationship. Here you are, you're bringing of baggage into a marriage, into a new relationship, and then later, bankruptcy. Now here you are bankrupt with bringing kids into the courthouse. I had to do that too screaming, baby. The judge even said, listen to this. The judge told my wife, maybe you should, you guys should stop having kids. 

 25:00
Neil
That was awesome. 

 25:02
josh
Thank you, sir. 

 25:03
Neil
You've heard your opinion, your legal advice. Actually, were, it was just as bad. We'd left the kids with my mom or my, I forget who he left him with. We left him with a trusted person. The, the thing is that she was pregnant. We, here we are pregnant, with an emotional wife in tow. That's always a fun thing to do. 

 25:22
josh
Not fun. 

 25:23
Neil
No, not really. 

 25:24
josh
Do you feel business guy, right? Like we're in the business. We built some things, man. We've made some moves. Yes. Bankrupt day after bankruptcy. Like self-worth and what you thought the world thought of you? What, what was it? 

 25:38
Neil
Oh, I dunno if you can allow me to cuss it on this, but I didn't give a ship at that point. You. 

 25:43
josh
Could just use a real one if you want. 

 25:45
Neil
No, I don't want to do the end of the day. I really could care less. I really, you know what fine, whatever. Again, what's the worst that can happen. I've been there. All right. Prior to that, the, I mentioned this a second ago, I had a nice supercar. I had a lot of income coming from things I was doing in the mobile industry for mobile arbitrage. I was uploading and doing mobile app installs on spreadsheets before there was Facebook and mobile ad and traffic. I help build some of those companies that did that was doing very well with that. Like I was making a lot of money and then of course I lost it all in the bankruptcy. Before that, I had that epiphany, that moment running 130 miles an hour down in Kansas city where I was between independence and Kansas city running west. 

 26:31
Neil
I literally had that moment right there at the 4 35 interchange where it would have taken me just a half a turn of the wheel and I could have ended it all. Literally I was right there. I was watching that and I looked at it and it's the strangest thing you've ever broke as it literally at the moment, I started to make that choice as though things slowed down. I mean, if you ever ran a car over 120 miles an hour, things are moving extremely fast. It's blurry to a degree. In that moment, in that few seconds, things just kind of went more like right into slow modes the best way. I could literally see that pylon it's clear as day. It was a, not just a physical, it was an embodiment of all of those things leading up to that. That moment was like my why on the road? 

 27:10
Neil
I could literally just do a half turn and ended in a second. Nothing was going to save me like that car would instantly die. It'd be all over. I knew that or I fight. The weak man in me wanted to pull that wheel. What was left of a strong man in me said, don't right. I believe now by the grace of God, that was him whispering in my ear. Don't it wasn't me. I took credit for me for a while, but now I acknowledge it wasn't me. It was him just saying don't not everybody wants to see this grand miraculous, sky opening heavens coming down. Oh, a moment where God speaks these amazing words to you and you can relate it in some quote on the internet. It was just one word. Don't like don't it was poignant. It was enough for me to stop. 

 27:59
Neil
I slowed down and turned the wheel back and I look at it now and I'm like, where would I be? Wherever my family be, where would my wife be? Where would all of this life be that we've built now? B if I turn that wheel and I recognize that as God's saving grace, that's what he wanted me to understand. All this, he wanted me to realize don't and so don't and feel the fear and do it anyway. If so, become a big mantra. People ask me for advice now as a mentor. It's a funny thing, because there's this YouTube video of a counseling session with the lady that goes in it's back in like the early eighties. Have you seen this one? She's asking for, yeah, she's asking you for all this advice. He's like, okay, well, it's going to cost you five bucks. You guys got to go check this out on YouTube. 

 28:42
Neil
It's so funny and is loud. It gets to the end and it's just your work to stop it. Like stop it. And he just yells at her stop. It she's like, so what are you saying? You're saying I should quit doing this and he's like, stop it. Mine has been don't like, people would ask me, what do you think about this? I'm like, don't, I'm like, oh, okay, well, what do you think I should do this way? Don't and it's like, they're well, is there more to it? No, no. If you really understood that you would just not do it, don't do it. And, and that's that simple. And, and the thing about it is as you get going and w why is it now easier for me to be in this position to be more joyful and happy and guy more confident in my life and family than I was that guy previously. 

 29:26
Neil
It was that one moment in time where he just said don't, and from that point on, I took the path of fighting. From fighting, he opened doors, he broke down barriers. He made some things in life, more difficult, but they opened up, the doors shut and the window open, or the window open and the door shut you. That analogy, he literally made a path for me through that because he made a way in which my, in the bankruptcy, they couldn't take the house. Like they could take everything else. In fact, they showed up at nine o'clock one night and repoed the car, which was sad. There's my pregnant wife in the garage going home. She didn't pay the car bill. Well, I thought you guys might want to eat. Yeah, the cars going away, it's, that was a really sad watching a pregnant wife, but, again, we came through that and each of those steps were things that kind of hardened us into our resolve and into where do we put our faith and where do we put our trust? 

 30:18
Neil
That was a comp all of those things built confidence in me. All of those things were like, what? I can overcome this. God's going to find a path. He did provide a nice little car for 2,500 bucks, so we could afford it was paid off. And, just started stacking things up and the house couldn't be taken. So were secure in that storm. God set us up place in a storm and he sat us down and he said, this is your rock for the moment. Just sit here and hang out. As he did, things just crashed all around us, like Jess everywhere. It got to be a kind of a running joke with my wife and I, what's going to happen next. Like let's just wait and see, because every crash was an opportunity to see revival. Every crash is an opportunity to speak truth. Every crash has come with an opportunity for me to speak poignantly into the lives of every person I meet, because I've had a personal crash event, worst case scenario. 

 31:06
Neil
Every time I get an opportunity and God lets me talk to someone that I can reach. I got to the point now where I don't ask God for more business. I ask him for more people, send him the right people. It's my prayer every morning as I get up, God, thank you for this day. Thank you for what you're about to do today. I don't know what it is. It's all in your control. Change my schedule up to Gary. Things, remove things from my path, put whatever you want in my path, but the right people in my path, Lord, that we'll see where I w that we're doing. We'll have an opportunity to speak into them on more places than just business. If you would please remove the wrong people from my life, that would be great too. That's literally my prayer every morning. 

 31:42
josh
Yeah. Remove the wrong people. Wholly, 

 31:44
Neil
Just move the wrong people out of my wife. Just move them away. Yeah. 

 31:47
josh
Yeah. So I've S wow. It's funny. I, I, I don't have the divorce under the belt, but my wife and I went through some massive trauma in our relationship. Right. I take a lot of the responsibility in terms of, like I brought insecurity. I brought massive amount of distrust because I saw what was going on with my dad being naughty. I just, like, I brought a lot of baggage into the relationship, right. I would say it was like 10, 11 years of me not fully trusting, not fully focusing on her. It was all about me. I dragged her to New York one time to live there, which was terrible, piece of advice, like don't drag your wife across the world to build businesses. And, and it was all about me, all about me, bankrupt, boom. I had a face, Hey, we're a team. That was, that was when I learned it from your bankruptcies, your divorce, your successes and failures. 

 32:51
josh
What was one of the things that just like stand or even, thoughts of suicide driving down 120 miles an hour? What, what is an a resounding like piece of wisdom that you captured out of that you would have only captured out of what you went through? 

 33:09
Neil
There was a book someone handed to me during that period, and I kind of tossed it off, like so many other pieces of advice you get when you're standing in the storm. It's very rare. Do you meet someone else who you feel like is walking with you, even alongside of you feel people are in front of you or behind you, but don't really feel like people understand. We, we fill them as platitudes. We fill them as insincere condolences, or whatever it might be. It always hits the ear wrong, no matter how sincere the person actually is, you have to walk that path yourself. You have to find and grapple through. You have to learn the way that you cope and the way you turn it around, mentally, physically, whatever it is that takes you past that next point. I know people mean well, and I know we all offer sincerity is as much as we can for hard situations, but until that person is ready to receive it's going to fall on deaf ears for me, it, this book, cause lay on the shelf for a long time until I was ready to pick it up and understand his simple words of wisdom. 

 34:04
Neil
You think I'm going to say the Bible, but that's a really good one to the end result is this one was called field of fear and do it anyways by Susan Jeffries. While it has some, what I would call more worldly attributes to it just for you as who might think it's a Christian book is not, it is more of mindset related and dealing with adversity and realizing there's different levels of adversity. Until you're dead, you don't, you can outlive out fight and outmaneuver any of them. Feel the fear and do it anyways. That was a Renaissance founding block of building my mindset back up and along with that concept of, what's the worst that can happen. I took out the fear and I went to war. I went to war with life. I went to war with the forces of devil. I went to the war with the people who were no longer going to be around me. 

 34:53
Neil
I went to war with all of them and I don't mean war in terms of like, Hey, I'm a bad mean person. Who's going to hate on everybody. I just mean I would war against any negativity. I would war against any broken mindsets or anything that was allowing that to occur in my life. I went to war with it. I changed the ideology of being a weak minded, self, person who was looking for others to lift me up. I turned into a self-confident warrior who now feared God more than anything. Because of that, the path that I walked on became very different. It was like, bring it on. I felt like a gladiator in the Roman times, the standing, I'm not I'm not that, not that cool, Not to entertain. Like I could literally stand in there and say, I would yell that because I had no more fear of death. 

 35:36
Neil
I had no more of that. I don't fear death. I'm excited for it. I don't want to die a slow, painful death cause who does, but I'm not afraid of death anymore. I feel the fear and do it anyways. That was just a moment of recognition. That became a mantra. One that I want to instill in my children. Now I have four daughters because I now recognize that the guy that was in me before that was warring against the world was fighting the wrong battles. I was fighting against men. I was fighting against worldly ideology. I was fighting it for all the wrong reasons and it destroyed me like it would do so many people. In the end we've watched many marriages fall under this. Typically it's the man who destroys it. It's the man who destroys it. I believe because if you look at the great principles of this universe and you find that they're warring each other, what's the easiest way to take out the family that you take out. 

 36:27
Neil
The man, when you take out the man, not just from him, physically remove him. You take him emotionally and spiritually out of the family and you've got them. You don't just destroy him. You take the wife and the children. And there's a big problem with that. The things about us as men, we have to recognize is you are not fighting me and I am not fighting you. We may end up going to war someday because we have a difference of opinions. Ultimately it's the factions and the people and the influences of evil that allowed that to occur, that we should actually be warring against. If we can stand together and realize that's true, we won't fight each other. We'll turn our weapons towards the true enemy. The one that's shaking the jar and causing us to fight. If you've ever seen that, the true analogy of the red ants and the black ants, you recognize they were just fine. 

 37:14
Neil
Living together, peacefully cohabitating inside of their little jar until some moron went over and shook the jar. All of a sudden you got warring ants, right? We are the ants and the jar. Someone else is shaking it, right? Who is ultimately shaking in the devil. Who's sifting the devil. When you recognize whether those things are actually occurring, then you realize that fighting for your job, fighting for money, fighting for the prestige, fighting for pride, fighting for all these things is a path of arrogance and jealousy that will lead to destruction because you can never be enough. You can never have enough. You can never, and this is the path that I was on. This is the path that ultimately destroyed me when I'm not in a servant leadership. When I am not looking for others to serve, whether it's my family first or the people in my business or others around them, if I can serve them first in true sincerity, if I go to battle with them and for them, then I will gain so much more for myself in this world. 

 38:07
Neil
I will gain confidence. I will gain the money. I will gain the other opportunities. They will come through warring the right war. There are a lot of men who fight the wrong battles today. They fight the wrong ones and they look at the wrong people to encourage them in those battles. Okay. Will Smith is not somebody you should look up to when he said, love makes you do crazy things. He is wrong. First Corinthians says, love will do no harm. Right? Love will conquer all love in essence, go read it. I don't have the passage. I'm an evangelist, not a preacher. The end result is it will tell you that love does other things. It does not make you do crazy things. It makes you do things for the right reasons in defense and protection, usually of others, right? When you love someone you're willing to defend them. 

 38:58
Neil
When you will really love your wife and your children, you would lay down your life for them. If you really love your friends, family, and even the neighbors around you would also be willing to lay down your life. And that's a passage. It doesn't actually mean go to die for them. It means to die to yourself for them. We are missing that as men in this world, right? We've turned it on ourselves. We've turned it on the media. We've turned it on. The people we've turned it on our families. We turned it on everybody else except for ourselves. And it's creating weak men. As weak men create weak times. Right? When I got into the situation where I was in weakness, other weak men took advantage of me. When I said those guys took advantage of me and the business and led me into bankruptcy. 

 39:39
Neil
It wasn't because they were stronger, better, and more confident is because they were weaker than me. I never acknowledged that until later they were actually weak men take advantage of other weak men. 

 39:52
josh
Yeah. There's such a great saying. It's it's strong men create easy times create weak men, weak men create hard times create hard men. Right. 

 40:06
Neil
We're about to find out who is truly hard. 

 40:09
josh
Yeah. What do you mean by that? 

 40:11
Neil
Because we are actually in the middle of something. Most people don't recognize. We are in involved in an inflationary situation in our country. That's going to lead to a collapse of a number of things. I work in the supply chain. I move product for a living and I help my clients move product. Okay. In that. You can see very closely into the supply chain and the manipulation of things that's occurring in that supply chain that is going to lead to things like food shortages, continued inflation. That's going to become extremely great in our times. We're going to watch a lot of shelves become empty. We're going to launch these weak times that we've been in for the last 20 years, determine who's really the hard men, because we're going to end up in some hard times. I think we have a lot of weak men in our country right now who are not mentally prepared. 

 40:53
Neil
They're not physically prepared nor how they prepared their households for this coming because they don't see it. They're too caught up in their self. They are into their money, their cars. There are other things that are watching it every day. These are men who are going to create hard times. 

 41:06
josh
What's so paint a picture of what could happen, 

 41:11
Neil
Hypothetically. 

 41:13
josh
Sure. Let's let. 

 41:14
Neil
Reach into my crystal ball. I wish I had an eight ball over here. I should grab one so I can use it as a problem. 

 41:19
josh
The eight ball says, oh, 

 41:21
Neil
John Paul says two things will occur, right, economics. This is you can go look this up with your most followed economic friend. Don't go to the media because you're not going to get the truth there. You're going to need. Result is, yeah, we are either headed for hyperinflation. There's a Y in the road coming up, inflation increases certain things continue, CRA pass printing and the Fiat money. If they keep hearing the printing machines in the stimulus checks for inflation, they're talking about sending out on all these things that are actually including last year's literal printing of more money in the United States than any other time. In our country's 200 plus years in history, all in one year, they are either setting us up for hyper inflation situation. Okay. If you don't understand what that means, it means your cash is worth nothing. Your assets will be the only thing that can save your household in a depression, which is the other epiphany that could happen. 

 42:14
Neil
Like we run out of money, things go bankrupt, things run. We're gonna have a reset at this moment. We're going to hit a D a deflationary leads to a depression, not like in 1929 depression. Why do you think I say that Josh? 

 42:27
josh
Because it's not 1929. 

 42:29
Neil
Yeah. Well, what happened in 1929, go back historically, at least a decade where was already resets happening in our country. People will already hardened. They lived off the land. They had skills and abilities and farmland. They weren't in a city setting, in an urban environment. They were mostly all rural. They had the ability to withstand those difficult times, even though they were terribly difficult, they were resourceful. They could do things. They had knowledge and skillsets that we don't have anymore. When I say the deflation in the, in a depression, every situation is more dangerous. It is more dangerous because it actually leads to the fact that men who are desperate will do desperate things. In that time, when they can't make provide, they don't have the land. They don't have the skillsets. They will Rob and steal to protect their families. Good. Men will have to do bad things to keep food on the table. 

 43:15
Neil
That's a dangerous scenario. They both have, they both have bad outputs. Hyperinflation though is one that we can come out of. We can come out of it because those with more cash on hand can still provide goods and services and take care of operations and things. Don't collapse in a depression or a deflation stay. We all get screwed. Money's. 

 43:33
josh
Not worth. 

 43:33
Neil
Anything. Money's not worth anything. Unless you've got tangible items, real estate, asset, gold, silver bullets, farm land, and the ability to actually take care of it or produce for your family or barter and trade in that environment, you're going to be struggling terribly. Do I believe any one of those things could occur? Sure. Am I going to predict the future? No. I'm not going to predict future. I'm not that arrogant anymore, but I can say that to prepare for it, I guess, to look at it and to do what Jim Collins in. Good to great said, you got to pull that rock up and look at those ugly squiggly things underneath it. You need to look at your life, your situation, your finances, your house, your car, the things you're paying for and the things you're doing. You need to look at them and say, are they worth more than putting food on the table for my family? 

 44:20
Neil
Because God forbid we have to come to those kinds of decisions in this country, a hundred million people in the world live on less than 1200 calories a day. They face that decision every day we don't. We act like it's an impossibility that it can happen in the United States. I'll tell you, as you just said, weak men can create hard times. The only ones that are going to come out of it are the hard men. And God forbid again, that will happen. What we're looking at though, is all indicators that major economic changes are coming. You can't ignore it, right? You can't ignore those things as men, we should be preparing for those things. How do you prepare for those things? What do you do? How do I look at it? I'm not on land. I'm in an urban environment. I live in a house in the middle of a cul-de-sac, what am I supposed to do? 

 45:05
Neil
Neil? You make it sound so easy. No, I've spent 10 years moving out of the supply chain. I've spent 10 years developing my property in my homestead. I spent 10 years developing a 1500 square foot garden and food and barter and trade and networking in my area. I moved out of the city to get away from that and to create some sustainability for it and to hedge against any of those potential realities. I don't fear it. I don't look forward to it. I am not a pandemic prepper nonsense, building a bunker in my backyard, thinking I'm going to survive, the world ending nonsense, but I am aware of the potentiality of it occurring. It's like frog boiling in the water. I just happened to realize the heat was already on. So I never got in the pot. There's a lot of people who are in the pot who don't realize the heat is turning up right now. 

 45:56
Neil
Right. There's turning up and preparing out is a preparing of your mindset. It's the preparing of what you're doing. That's of a tangent, Josh. Sorry about that. I'm wanting to answer your question through my own eyes. 

 46:07
josh
Yeah, no, I appreciate it. That's the purpose and mission of this show is to give people a microphone and say, what are your thoughts? What do men need to hear today? Like, I, I appreciate greatly the fact that you're willing to, in your mind, speak as much truth as you see it, right? People may have disagreeing beliefs about it. I'm leaning towards you of this. Like I see those two potentials out there. Nobody could ignore it. Like in my head, the thing that I struggle with deeply, and I constantly have to remember remind myself a few things, as I'm afraid, man, I've got guns. I know how to use them. I don't want to, I've seen enough death in my life. I've, I've been too close to that. I don't want to do bad things to bad people. Right. I don't want to, like I'm pretty tough, fairly tough. 

 47:03
josh
Right. I don't want to see my kids suffer. I don't want to see my wife suffer. I don't want to see struggle even though like we set ourself up for. 

 47:12
Neil
It. 

 47:13
josh
Yeah. So I'm afraid. 

 47:14
Neil
Absolutely. How. 

 47:15
josh
Do you, what advice do you have for that? 

 47:17
Neil
In the absence of fear is preparedness, right? It is fearing the right things at the right way and then preparing against them so that you can take the fear out of it. If there are things that you fear, it's probably because in my opinion, I'm not, as I was afraid in the past, there areas of my life that I'm not preparing. For whatever reason, I haven't taken that effort to do it. Whether it's physical or monetary or whatever fear that's stopping me from doing it, my fear of the greater things should Trump that, and actually get my feet moving to some level of action. At that point, the fear starts to subside. It's not that I'm not concerned that those things can occur where I'm at is that if it should occur, I have a bit of a plan to prepare against it. So I'm not as afraid of it. 

 47:57
Neil
Should they go more prosperous or thing turns around greatly. Can they, I have a hat on says life is good. There's a reason why, because I do still believe there will be good things. I just know that sometimes they come on the back of bad things and my life is one experience of another, of seeing good occur after bad things had to happen. They had to happen the answer to why do good things happen to bad people? Isn't because God's a mean, God it's because we live in a world that's full of sin and people are doing bad stuff and therefore bad things are going to happen. It's what you can do with it. Next it's more important it's that you can use it to your advantage. You can take advantage of it. If you're not prepared, then maybe you're a little scared. That's okay. 

 48:37
Neil
There's a there's ways around that. I use Psalm 46 as one way to remind myself to refocus my fears to God and to continue to be prepared is to lead others in preparedness. I started a telegram account in 2019, right before the pandemic happened. I warned a number of my friends. This was coming when you are outside of the system, long enough, what's happening and I'm calling it a plan. DEMEC because this was all things lit up. If you go back right now and you've done any research into nine 11, you will see a decades worth of information. Prior to that, leading up to a known event, predetermined in the media news and a whole lot of other things that will become very obvious for you to see now in retrospect, than to have predicted or even understood the possibility of it happening now, you see it all makes a lot of sense when you're willing to dig into it. 

 49:29
Neil
If you have that premonition of being outside of that and looking at things differently and always asking the question, why, who, where when, and never taking it all at face value, you would dig in a lot and realize they had many signals of plan preparedness coming to an eventual biological weapon launch. We exact date or month is not important, but I knew that this was coming and there's 120 people in that telegram account. Now there was only five when it started. A lot of friends and family got involved in that. There's only one person in there that's taken the vaccination and they were Johnson and Johnson vacs. They're very glad they didn't because we've now been able to show all of the adverse effects that are occurring with those that is now completely documented. It's proven. It was always in the NIH website and the government websites. 

 50:10
Neil
You can go look it up for yourself. You don't have to take my word for it is all out there. Okay. And it's all coming very close. You're seeing a lot of unfortunate events happening today. Even what it was at Nate air, the that I pronounced his name, wrong, the tennis player who just passed out the other day, the guy from the foo fighters who just died the 400 plus athletes that have dropped dead around the world because they're hyperactive in their blood flow and systems. They've gotten the adverse effects even faster. Or the fact that just one system reports 1.2 million adverse effects of which most of those are life threatening, mild carditis for men, perio carditis, stuff that it doesn't stop. I mentioned the foo fighters because his heart rate and what was it? 600 grams. More than it should. He had a super inflamed heart that does not happen in men of that age, on this regular level. 

 50:58
Neil
That's usually an outlier, like the 0.001%. What they're saying now is in men and young children who got this, they are now having significant heart issues. You can go look at this all up again. Don't take my word for it. Do your research. If I'm bringing this to your attention for the first time today, you probably won't believe what I'm saying and that's okay. I didn't believe the book earlier. I set it on the shelf for two years and then eventually drug it off to realize it had a lot of truth, 

 51:20
josh
Which book. 

 51:22
Neil
The book on fear. The fear do it. Anyways. The recognition is that we had moved into a natural immunity state with ourselves long before that and moved our children and family out of the worldly medical system. We had stepped back and always question what was going on. Patients has a virtue, as they say, were patient to watch and see what happened. Am I anti-vaccine? Could you throw me under the bus about that? No, absolutely not. There's vaccines for purpose there's vaccines, for certain things that have ethical studies, the efficacy of them has been proven some of those drugs like ivermectin and ACQ have been out there for 60 years with multiple, multi peered research papers and studies and safety and natural immunities, et cetera. All of a sudden that went out the window. All of a sudden that didn't make any sense. All of a sudden, the only way to save your life was to get a shot. 

 52:12
Neil
I think it's quite a fascinating, psychological thriller. We're watching, being written today. 

 52:18
josh
They're on jab booster, number. 

 52:20
Neil
4 4900. I think I was. I lost track. Yeah. Yeah. Wait, wait in the back. 

 52:26
josh
At what point is it going to just be an, a normal daily thing? We're like, oh, got to clock in work. Oh, cool. Take the J*p. 

 52:33
Neil
It's part of your child. I mean, the walk back on some of this now should tell you some of the truth, and the, I had airlines walking back and saying, Hey, we're not going to force our people anymore to get vaccinated done by the way, can you all come back? So we don't go bankrupt. I mean, these things are backpedaling immensely fast, but when you don't recognize the world around you for certain things, you simply don't see it. You're, you're blind to it. Until you start to wake up to some of the truths from whatever angle you feel most convenient to you. Until you take off that cognitive dissidence and actually start to see things and read things and be open to looking at things from a different perspective and asking the why questions and asking who is behind the person who's telling you that information and what do they have to gain financially or professionally or otherwise, will you not actually start to see some of these things that are unfolding? 

 53:21
Neil
As men, I think we miss that a lot. We're very busy. We go to our job eight hours a day, 12 hours a day. We do life. We come home, we're tired. We take care of the family. We go to sleep. We do it again. When I was at IBM, on for the last two years that I worked for them, I traveled almost 300 days a year. I was gone on a plane all the time. It was like one of those Mexican buses with the, everybody hanging on the side and the goats and the sheep. That's what the airlines felt like to me. It was like catching another bus in Mexico. I mean, I would do it two or three times a week. It was, it was insane. At that point I never had a time to think energy or effort to go put it into anything outside of just kind of zoning out. 

 53:57
Neil
When we first zoning out, right? Watching television, hanging with your friends, doing whatever, playing on the internet and go to sleep, do it again. But it's an unfortunate situation. We have that. Many people are not paying attention to what's going on in the world and not recognizing a lot of indicators that are happening. They take a lot of things too much at face value. That's one of the things I learned was a failure for me in the past was to just not stop and question everything. It is okay. To question everything, it's fine to question, what your family and friends aren't going to like you for it. So just get over it man up. You have to understand that when you are leading, someone is always going to take a shot at you in business or in your life or otherwise when you're leading someone, who's going to take a shot at you. 

 54:40
Neil
Until you recognize that you're going to be full of bullet holes. 

 54:44
josh
Yeah, man, Neil TWA, we don't have much more time for this episode. I feel like we'll probably do a few more things in the future. 

 54:58
Neil
Some deeper. 

 54:59
josh
What's up. 

 55:00
Neil
I bet we can dig into those deeper. 

 55:01
josh
Yeah. You know, it'd be fun. Maybe, maybe revealing, but some of the things you're working on, why don't you give us an idea for guys out there who go, there's probably like a bunch of dudes who are like this conspiracy, theorist, whatever, but then there's probably, a guy in the audience who goes, Hey, man, that resonates and I want to learn more. Where can they connect with you? Join your newsletter or learn more about what you got going on. 

 55:30
Neil
Yeah. At the end of the day, one of the things I have gotten into Josh is mentoring and the mentoring aspect, because I have many life things I've dealt with. I've had very big highs and very big lows. If you're going to try to climb Everest, hire a Sherpa, don't try to do it yourself. In business, too many people try to go up the mountain, the 29,000 foot, mountain of life to get to their business, their other job, their side hustle that turns into a full income or whatever they want to do in life and business as men, we sh we want some of these things and we don't know always how to get them having been to the top of Everest. Like 15 times. I can tell you in business that, it's always exciting for the other person. It's always fun to watch them get there, but they usually lack some of the major essentials on their way up the hill. 

 56:11
Neil
They think maybe they don't need it, or they can do it on their own. Maybe they buy the 10 from Walmart and forget the oxygen and die halfway up the hill. I see it so many times in business. One of the things that we've done is in business specifically around e-commerce, as we've presented a, we call business builders mentoring program, and it's really geared to allowing men to become leaders in their business, their life. It goes beyond just the physical product will be competent, actually talks a lot about mental and building a strength building. We do a lot of things that around abundance versus scarcity, how to build a true business with the end in mind and how to scale that business and exit it correctly so that you can repeat a process that you could teach yourself, your children's children, a legacy play in business using e-commerce, which is one of the fastest growing industries in the world. 

 56:58
Neil
In fact, during the pandemic, it was the only one of the only industries with double digit growth. It took a huge leap forward. We helped them build these businesses online. We give them the opportunity to understand a physical inventory, which is another asset like bullets and real estate and other things, physical inventories and asset, where you put money into that has a greater worth it's money that can hedge against inflation. Because as you're selling those products, you can increase your prices and move with inflation. We teach people how to avoid inflationary deals by running physical product businesses. We show them over 12 months how to build a business that achieves a hundred thousand in net profit in 12 months, or we guarantee half of our coaching fees. You literally will not pay us if your business does not hit that mark in 12 months or less. 

 57:44
Neil
We work on a consulting, coaching, mentorship, and performance arrangement with a select group of people. They have to go through an application process. I don't work with anybody. I don't have the time or energy to do that outside of my own business. We work with the entire world. I can't save everybody. I'm not trying, but there's a few people who might listen to this and say, Hey, what? This is what I'm doing. This is where I want to go. I understand I can't climb Everest myself, and I may want to talk about it. They can go to voltage, dm.com and check out what we're doing there to build e-commerce businesses. We start on the Amazon FBA marketplace, and then we move into mass marketing. It's just the first channel to prove the products. We take them direct to consumer and into mass media. My partners are extremely strong in what they do. 

 58:24
Neil
They've all built eight and nine figure companies. I'm blessed now to be surrounded by some amazing people. Kevin Harrington is a partner in my voltage portfolios. He was the original shark from the hits TV series, shark tank. So we have a very senior level. He sold about 5 billion in products. I think he knows what he's doing. We help people mentor and grow businesses to really understand how to create a legacy play on exit those businesses for good money. We're teaching people how to take a side hustle into a real business. 

 58:55
josh
Super cool. People could go to voltage D m.com connect. 

 59:00
Neil
Absolutely there. Yeah. Or Google me, Neil Twila. You can't miss it. TWA. If you type that into Google or anywhere else, you're going to find me and airlines and you can do your research and connect with me on any of those platforms and see if we align in other ways than just business. Typically the people who find me are interested in more than just business or econ, they have really, relationships with different topics that I've covered today. That's one of the reasons why we end up working together as we have a lot more to talk about than just business. 

 59:30
josh
All right. I got to end with a, I buy some questions. I have some cards right here. Oh yeah. Total random. It's. 

 59:38
Neil
Going to set up. 

 59:39
josh
All right. Yeah. You're good. So we have the family friendly one. Oh, we have one that's more topical that could kind of get interesting. I have an adult loaded question one day, VIP one. 

 59:51
Neil
Do you just randomly choose or are you telling me? I have to choose. 

 59:53
josh
Yeah. You choose red pill black. Okay. I got red, Black and red, black or rainbow. 

 01:00:03
Neil
I'm not going to choose the rainbow. Let's go as black. 

 01:00:06
josh
Okay. Black with. 

 01:00:07
Neil
Black. 

 01:00:08
josh
All right. This is, I'm going to open up. This is not a magic trick. I'm just telling you when to stop. 

 01:00:14
Neil
So, 

 01:00:14
josh
Okay. I'm going to ask you this question. 

 01:00:17
Neil
Alrighty. 

 01:00:18
josh
All right. In what way? The question is, in what way do you Feel that you had a a privilege and then what way do you think you were behind the eight ball? Like where did you see a, a privilege and where did you see a handicap in your world growing up? That'll be the last question I asked before saying goodbye. 

 01:00:37
Neil
With the, where did I have a privilege with my life? Well, it's a strange way to look at it, but while were relatively poor growing up, I don't, weren't poor. Like we could still afford the R and the word poor. I wasn't sponsored my family from Haiti, but we didn't have a lot of money growing up. I would say, while having food and water and shelter and parents that loved me, who've been married for 50 years now. I would consider that a privilege, having a family, a structure, a nuclear family, a very loving family and having, water and food in my essentials met while I wanted bigger things and I wanted nicer things and I wanted all this stuff kids want and all this other stuff growing up, as I look back on it, now I had everything I needed. And I consider that a privilege. 

 01:01:26
Neil
I consider it a privilege more than I, I probably should recognize at times as I think on it. No doubt. The second half I forgot, which was. 

 01:01:36
josh
What was an area of that? You like a handicap or something that you had to overcome? 

 01:01:43
Neil
That's a good question. You know that, oh gosh, I have a lot of them flowing through my mind right now. I'm trying to figure out which one would be the best to pick. Communication was probably one of the biggest ones. It's one of the biggest ones. I recognize that I did very poorly in my original relationship. As I struggled to break my life down and actually, get to the point where I was okay. Being built back up as a new Mahan communication with my current wife and by proxy now having to learn how to speak female, I'm having four daughters in my house and my wife, I, talk the least amount in my house. I, so I think communication has become a big, important part. It's not how much I speak. It's exactly what I say. Having to learn, to communicate with women, which, I talk to more women every day than I do men. 

 01:02:39
Neil
I've had to really work on that mean what I say and say what I mean. That has been one of those handicaps that I've really had to struggle with and what I've had to work a lot to overcome, to ensure the love and respect and kindness of my family. Especially my daughters and wife is truly felt by them and my words. 

 01:03:01
josh
Super cool, man. I appreciate you sharing this, man. 

 01:03:06
Neil
Thank you. 

 01:03:07
josh
Super open. I appreciate some of the things you're saying you challenged me. Some of the ways that I got to think about things, I'm probably afraid because one, I lacked faith two is I'm not prepared the way I know I'd like to be. This has been a great challenge and my journey begins. I appreciate you doing that. Dude's in the audience. If you're working on something and you need some help, or if you want to ask some questions to maybe some our guests or myself, you can always head on over to uncensored advice for men.com, fill out a quick form. You can chat with me. I reach out, I respond to all the guys. I've had guys reach out and say, I'm going through depression. I'm looking at too much porn or doing this or that, doing some naughty stuff, thinking about killing myself, just, lost my FAmily. 

 01:03:54
josh
And, I might not have the best advice for you, but one of my guests probably do, and I'll connect you with them. If you're working on something, you're not alone, reach out to us there and we'll get you plugged in with someone who could help you tell them, talk to you all on the next show, 

 01:04:11
Josh
Where the heck is that button there.