Oct. 31, 2022

Internally Successful with Chad Hawley


Chad has been married to Wendy for 24 years and have four amazing children. He have been in business for over 20 years with a Master’s Degree in Business Administration. He has a lot of experiences as an entrepreneur and corporate America. Chad had very successful career in the pharmaceutical industry in sales, management, marketing, and training. In that time he was a national sales trainer for the 2nd largest pharmaceutical company in the world. I left the Pharma industry on May the 6th, to pursue my calling as the founder of the NEXUS Mountain Network.

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Transcript


 00:02

Josh Wilson
Good day, fellows. Welcome. Uncensored advice for flofr men. Guys, I have questions about life, about relationships, about sex, about my body as I'm getting older. I'm 40 now and about the things that go through my brain about life and meaning and purpose and kids. What I do is I just go find people that are smarter than me, I interview them, and then I record the conversation. So this is super transparent. It's uncensored. A lot of times we talk about sex and drugs and rock and roll and all sorts of stuff. Warning it may not be safe for kiddos. We do have husbands and live that listen in together. I've caused fights, and we've caused great conversations after that. With that, just channing hamlet, the warning be warned. With that, I want to talk to a friend. He's a friend of my cousins and my family, and my cousin introduced us, so shout out to matt, and he said, you need to chat with this guy because he's super transparent. 


 00:59

Josh Wilson
He loves god, he loves people, and he's on a mission. So enough set ups. Chad, welcome to show. 


 01:06

Chad
Hey, thank you, Josh, for having me. I'm excited to be here. I think you mentioned the word warning about five times. Hopefully, I don't scare too many people off. 


 01:14

Josh Wilson
Yeah, well, don't worry. I'll scare them off. I get a lot of hate mail, and I get a lot of encouragement, too, so I'll be the brunt of it. Chad, where are you? Where's home for you guys? 


 01:25

Chad
We are in charlotte, north Carolina. Originally were raised born and raised in Michigan, but we've been in charlotte now for almost 15 years. 


 01:33

Josh Wilson
Okay. What the heck brought you to charlotte? From Michigan. 


 01:36

Chad
Yeah. I had a really good career in the pharmaceutical industry, and I pursued many promotions, and as a result, they moved me many times because I was willing and able and had the ability to do it. I went from michigan to Philadelphia to charlotte, north Carolina, working for probably the second largest pharmaceutical company in the world. 


 02:01

Josh Wilson
Oh, wow. Okay, so you said work. What are you focused on now? Are you still doing that? 


 02:07

Chad
Yeah. I actually left the pharmaceutical industry after a very successful career. I was in that industry for nearly 20 years in sales and management and training, marketing. You name it, I did it, and they moved me around, and it was a great career. But I left this year. May 6 of this year is my last day in the industry, and I went all in, and I am pursuing what I believe my purpose in life is. I'm 47 years old, and I'm just now stepping into what I think, why I was created and what I'm doing. It's a real step of faith, but I feel like it's the right thing. Thankfully, my wife agrees, and so does my family. 


 02:49

Josh Wilson
Yeah. Super cool. Alright, so before you said 47 years old. That's gross, right? You're getting old. Me too. You said before that you didn't really know your purpose in life, and you're just starting to find that out at age 47 before we go into what your purpose is. 


 03:07

Chad
Sure. 


 03:08

Josh Wilson
What did it feel like prior to knowing your purpose? 


 03:12

Chad
That's a great question. I think even this podcast is targeted more towards men, obviously. I think if me were not in our purpose, we become dull, we become uninspired. It's the phrase that an idle mind is a devil's playground where we actually get trouble because we're not driven to do the exact reason were created. For me, what did it feel like? It felt like you ask yourself questions, what am I doing? What's the point of that? I know I want to do more, but all I want to do is take care of my family. I feel like that's the only thing I'm supposed to do is bring money into the house and go through the motions is what it felt like. 


 04:04

Josh Wilson
Yeah. Did you make decent money in the corporate world? You're making money, you have a family. Tell us about your family. 


 04:13

Chad
Yeah, so I've been married to my wife Wendy for 24 years. We'll be obviously 25 is next, so that's great. And I have four amazing children. Josh I'm so lucky because even some of the way I was raised, many of the men have trouble with their relationships with their fathers. And hey, I'm raising my hand. I had that same problem, and it didn't go well. One of the things I wanted to do out of life was to do for my kids what I always wanted my dad to do for me. That also was something that was really important to me. It's a concept called the father's love. I wanted to be certain that I gave my four children everything they needed to be successful in life on the inside. I knew everything on the outside would take care of itself. I'm so fortunate because I have four amazing kids. 


 05:09

Chad
I got one in Texas, I got three in the house. And all four of them are unique. One thing they know, I may not be the best father in the world, but they know their dad loves him. 


 05:20

Josh Wilson
Yeah, dude. Something you said. I'm finding I've interviewed a thousand people across my different shows and such, and the topic of relationship with father comes up so many times. You said you wanted to do for your kids what you may not have had or that you wish your father would have done. I had a good father. Like, I mean, you can talk with wins is in such my father was larger than life and such like that. There's some things that I lacked about biblical principles, about a father's love and what that looks like. When you mentioned successful on the inside, I had success externally, which I self sabotaged because internal wiring was just total effed up, right? Successful on the inside, what the heck does that look like? How do if you're not successful on the inside? 


 06:08

Chad
There's a concept that you'll know them by their fruits and so you'll know it. One of the greatest gifts I can give my kids future spouses as they come into a relationship, knowing what unconditional love is. That means I would prefer my kids to make mistakes while still under the roof of my house so that I can help them walk through that instead of live pointing a finger at them, condemn them. I don't care if it's a pornography issue. I don't care if it's a well, that's the most common with kids these days because they're exposed to it everywhere they go, or just make a maybe it's an alcohol mistake or some other mistake where I can say, let's go, let's talk. I live by these three principles as a father that I was taught. Those three are to make sure the child knows that you love them, that you are there for them when they have a difficult time, and that you're proud of them. 


 07:11

Chad
Those three things I stay focused on. One of the things I learned early, Josh, was because I was a national sales trainer for a pharmaceutical company, and so I have thousands of reps that I trained over time. I have all these the disc and all these different training self assessments. One that stood out to me for my kids was the five love languages. Although I believe they're six, the men on the show for sure will agree with me that there's a six one. It's called food. I focused on the five love languages and I examined my children and I realized in some cases I was having behavioral issues with my children. I say, all right, I'm missing something here because what I'm doing is a working so I said, what is their love language? I would start to speak it. So, for example, if one of my children was misbehaving and his love language or her love language was quality time, then I would just start investing time with them and I'd watch the behavior change. 


 08:10

Chad
That's how I knew when they started making to answer your question, the last piece is when they start making their own decisions based on what they believe and feel versus what I think they should do, then I know something's happening so good. 


 08:25

Josh Wilson
Let me just restate the three principles that you have for fatherhood or parenting in general, but most of the people listening in, our guys let the kids know that you love them. It's one thing to say I love my kids, but do the kids know it? So there's given and receiving a reception. Do they know that you're there for them and that you're proud of them? So then let's go to you, right? You're 47 years old and you're starting to uncover your purpose and you're going to, oh, my gosh, I feel like, yes, I've been a good father and a good husband. I've been a good provider. You feel like something was off and you said, by my fruits, I am knowing this. Right? You selfexamined and you said, there's some gaps. What were those gaps and what was the wake ups call? 


 09:16

Chad
Well, the gaps were even like we talked about the inside, where the inside fell blank and on the inside, you're going through the motions. You know you're not there's more. That's the key. You know there's more. When there's more, but you don't necessarily know what to do about it. That's a big thing because a lot of people are going, okay, Chad, because this is something that I train and teach is, all right, Chad, I'm willing. How do I find out my purpose? Because a lot of us, men especially, are going, I don't know if I could live you answer. If I came up to someone and said, what is your purpose? Why do you exist? Especially if they're a father or a husband writes a, well, I have a job, I'm going to be a good husband, but they're not fulfilling their actual purpose. What happened to me, and I hope that men don't wait like I did, but I was facing death, literal death. 


 10:14

Chad
About three years ago josh, this is a really powerful story, and I am a Christian, and I was a good Christian, but I wasn't living my full potential and purpose. But that doesn't always come. Sometimes we have to go through lessons and time and seasons to get to the place where we are in a position to say, yes, I'm all in. What happened to me was about three years ago, I was diagnosed with cancer. What happened was I thought I was going to be okay. I was surprised by the initial diagnosis. And I think I had two surgeries. I had biopsies and scans. I'm telling Josh, when you go through that sucks. I'm just saying it sucks. And you have to wait. You start thinking about your wife, you start thinking about your kids and how they're going to be taken care of. I didn't really get to the point where I thought I was dying. 


 11:09

Chad
I just had this peace because I was a Christian. I really felt like that was something that there's a Biblical verse that says, have the place that pass all understanding, which means you have peace and there's no reason you should have it. I had it for quite a while. We get done with my second surgery, and the doctor says we're going to do a 30 day scan, and this is going to show us a lot. This is going to show us whether we're on the right page or if we find something in 30 days. It's not good. So I'm thinking, I'll be fine. The 30 day scan comes back, and the doctor says, I'm sorry, but we found more. And I was like, S***, yeah. Am I going to die? And so I'm like, God, come on. I've given my life to you. And that was the wake up call. 


 12:05

Chad
That was the moment, Josh, that I had a revelation. I actually went to a depression for a few days. In that depression, I said, all right, God, I said, Why did you create me? Josh, I got answer, and I got this idea. This idea was I was going to create a Christian based social network, and it was going to be organized by a concept called Seven Mountains. A lot of people aren't familiar with Seven Mountains, but I'll hold off on that explanation to tell you what happened. What I did was I took this idea and I went on my computer. I'm a pharmaceutical guy, sales, marketing. I've started my own businesses as an entrepreneur to additional revenue and income to my family. But I wasn't an audio video. Even meeting up for this podcast, you had to give me some help. I created this one and a half minute movie trailer about my future. 


 13:17

Chad
I took it, this idea, and I created it. I did voiceovers and sound effects and logos and even tried to do there was a time voice. I took this idea, and I submitted to my inner circle. I barely told anybody. I had some mentors in my life and some people that are close to me. I said, Pray for me that I'm going to live and not die, and I'm going to do this. What I was doing, Josh, was instead of thinking about death, I was using my creative mind about the possibility I was going to live. It pulled me out of depression and gave me hope that I might just live. If there is a God, and he did create me for this, then he would follow through to make sure that I lived, because I didn't finish what I was supposed to do. That was the idea. 


 14:07

Chad
All of a sudden, Josh, my medical situation changed dramatically. As a result, I was supposed to get chemo. I'm supposed to get radiation. I was supposed to get a third surgery. None of it I end up going to the most prestigious cancer institute in Houston, Texas. I went in front of the doctor again, I thought I was dying. He said, I had all these appointments lined up, probably a million dollars worth of services they could have provided me. The doctor said, Chad, there's nothing wrong with you, go home. He says, not only that, I expect you to never have a problem with this ever again. It was a shot into my heart. And that was three years ago. That's what the turning point was for me. That inspired me to say, okay, I got to find my purpose. 


 15:07

Josh Wilson
Super cool. What kind of cancer was it? Can you tell us? 


 15:10

Chad
Yeah, I was in throat. Yeah, I got a look at the camera here, but I got a scar here. I had lymph nodes removed out of my neck. I had surgery inside my throat. The third surgery, I think they were going to even try to take some of my tongue. And so I wouldn't speak. Part of my purpose is I'm supposed to speak. It was a direct contradiction to why I was created. And that's part of the testimony. 


 15:38

Josh Wilson
Without knocking over the mic or anything, could you get close to the camera and maybe show us your scar? 


 15:43

Chad
See, I'm backwards. I would say it's here. 


 15:46

Josh Wilson
You have to hold up your fingers like this, and this shows you if it's a left hand side. 


 15:49

Chad
So the scar goes like here. What they did was I had a lymph nodes that ran down here and they removed the whole chain of lymph nodes from my neck. 


 15:59

Josh Wilson
With walking around with a huge scar on your neck, it's kind of badass, right? Live. This guy was tough, right? He got in a bar fight or something. 


 16:06

Chad
Unfortunately, it's healing pretty well, so I actually rarely ever show it, so it's probably hard to see on camera. But it's healed well. When I first saw it was. 


 16:18

Josh Wilson
But hey, you're sitting there and you're facing mortality, right? At first you're live. Hey, man, I'm in the pharmaceutical world. Live. We can fix problems and such like that. The guys like, hey, you're going to come back in 30 days if we find something else. Live. Prepare to start talking to family and start doing your whatever. You saw that and it threw you into depression. It threw you into a thing where you called out to God and you felt like you got answer. The answer was to build a community for kingdom driven people about the seven mountains of something, right? 


 16:58

Chad
Yes. 


 16:59

Josh Wilson
What the heck does that mean? 


 17:01

Chad
I'll start with seven mountains of the concept. I learned this primarily from a mentor of mine. His name is Lance Wallnel, and him and his wife Annabelle have been just a tremendous role. They serve different purposes and different roles in our lives. Me and my wife and actually my oldest daughter, he does it best, but this is what it is. In society, we have seven, we'll call them categories that shape culture. It can shape a nation, it can shape the world, it can shape a city, it can shape a community. So these seven are this business. You're doing a podcast right now, that's media, there's arts and entertainment, there is religion, there's education, there's family and there's government. These seven, if you think about it, they encapsulate pretty much all of it that shape culture. And so I believe that. I've been a Christian my whole life. 


 18:03

Chad
One of the things that we've struggled with as a church is we go to church, we sit in the pews and then we do whatever we do outside. Especially now more than ever, Josh, we need to be engaging in society. Many of us, I actually have an assessment that I created. It's kind of like my own disc. And it's a seven mountain assessment. People can take it's quick, it's probably eight to 10 minutes, it's fun, do it right on their phone and they actually get, alright, give me some clarity. What is my primary and secondary mountains during this period of my life? Because God will call us to different seasons. For me, my whole life has been either business or religion. I'm also now feeling that I'm getting a pool into media based on the new assignment that I have. And so how do we connect? 


 18:55

Chad
How do we learn together and how do we achieve together in society? Because we're not just supposed to stand by and complain and only pray about it. We're supposed to engage. 


 19:05

Josh Wilson
Yeah, I forget who said this. I was talking to a leader and someone from his community came up and he's like, you should do this and this is what we need and blah, blah, right? He goes, you're the person, go for it, right? So I feel that for guys. I was talking to my wife just about this yesterday. We were talking about my problem, not my problem, right? Because sometimes we take on stuff that's not our problem. Were saying in life, we go, this is my problem. This is not things that are not my problem out there that I have nothing to do with. I have no influence over it. Whatever my problem, I've got my family, I've got my friends, I've got my community, I've got my business, my money, all this stuff. There's also stuff on my heart that I feel like for some reason I have an affinity towards, I have a love towards. 


 19:57

Josh Wilson
It becomes my problem because I take it on. I go, okay, I'm going to do something. It's called responsibility. I'm going to do something for this. What you're saying, if I can say, is there's seven mountains, essentially spheres of influence or categories and that God might have called you, or you might have a natural affinity towards one of these different influences, one of these categories, and you have an assessment that might give some clarity on what that might be. Is that right? 


 20:25

Chad
That's correct. 


 20:26

Josh Wilson
Awesome. 


 20:26

Chad
You said something really cool, Josh, so there's a distinction between you brought the word call up. There's a distinction between the need and the call. So there's always a need. So, for example, there's always a need to feed the poor or take care of the homeless, but the call is the call. The need is not the call. You could say it's like that's part of the reason why we engage Christian sometimes we gauge in church, we go, oh, that's what we're supposed to do. Or you might say, I'm going to help. I got to do something, so I'm going to help the poor. You step into that and you were never called to that, and you become frustrated and then you give up. So that's why it's really important. This is something I teach. What is your purpose? Because if you can get clarity, then what's going to happen is there'll be I use the word favor or grace or an ease upon what you're doing, and you'll feel most alive when you're doing it. 


 21:25

Chad
And that is so key. You'll know it on the inside and you'll feel it. Say, I feel most alive. In fact, I just started recently even more. I used to speak a lot in pharmaceutical and do presentations and things live that. I'm starting to speak with a different audience and people are coming to me now and starting to ask me to speak, whether it's a church or a group or a meeting of some kind. I just shared with my wife the other day that I always knew I was supposed to start speaking, but I wasn't released yet. I told my wife I spoke at a local university and I got done and I said to her, this was just last week, I said, I felt most alive when I was doing that. I said, I feel like I'm supposed to do more. That is something on the inside that we can measure, is what makes me feel most alive. 


 22:19

Josh Wilson
Yeah, you mentioned the word dull and alive and you're using some language for some guys out there. I know there are some of the dudes in my audience. I go, I don't know what the h*** this guy's talking about. He's using things like calling and release. Some of it is stuff that us growing up in church or being around church for a while. We hear different language and we start it's English, but different terminology. This idea of calling, right, is that something that comes from God? Is that what I would say? 


 22:48

Chad
It's Christians. 


 22:49

Josh Wilson
Okay. 


 22:50

Chad
I think it's something that another way I could say is purpose. And I don't think that's Christians. I think we all feel like we have purpose whether we believe in God or not. We all can feel most alive doing something, whether we're a Christian or not. Some people who may not even be a Christian but have a love for children or love for education, and they're not even a Christian, and they don't know why they have this love, but they have it. 


 23:19

Josh Wilson
Yeah. Released, right? Released. A crackin is that came to my mind. You're saying that I always felt like I was supposed to do something live, maybe this calling or this purpose, but I didn't feel released. Are you the cracking that needs to be released live? What do you mean by that? 


 23:36

Chad
So I have a story for you. Some people, they're just going to be like, what? I had this whole thing happened three years ago, but then I just launched it this year, this vision that I have. What happened was earlier this year, I was invited to go on a show like yours. I was in a studio and there was lights and cameras and this, and it was a Lance Wallnel show, and he has a really big audience, and I was excited to go on, but I wasn't really clear what were going to talk about. And he's so good at communicating. He could just shoot from the hip and run. I wanted to try to make a good first impression, and I wanted to be prepared. Lights went on and we had the show. One of the things that came up on the show, Josh, was what I just told you. 


 24:25

Chad
The story about how I responded to the potential team chat was the potential death sentence. How did I respond? I shared the story about the video and what I felt like I got an idea from God. And this was three years ago. Anyway, I get done on the show goes well. That was in Dallas, Texas. I come back to Charlotte, North Carolina, and me and my family had a big decision to make. We were in transition in life. Like, what should we do here? We did this thing called Communion, and communion is acknowledgment that Jesus died for us and he was beaten for us, that he saved us. Jesus did it, he said, do this. It's like, you take some bread and some wine. We just felt like were supposed to do it to honor Him and to have Him give us clarity on how we're supposed to move in life. 


 25:19

Chad
Our whole family did it together, and that was on a Sunday. Four days later, I go to my son's parent teacher conference, and I expect my youngest son is a lot like me. I got C's in conduct, but I got a S in math. If he got a C in conduct and A in math. I got him. I understood. I was ready for that. I go in, and the teacher says, Chad, before I begin, she says and she looks at me in the eyes and says, I believe I have a word of the Lord for you. And I was like, wow. I said okay. She goes, I have to tell you how I got this word before I give it to you. I said, okay, there's a story behind it. She goes, Last Sunday, the day we had communion, by the way, she said, I traveled to this church and I walked up to this man to give him what's called a word of encouragement. 


 26:18

Chad
I went up to the man and I started to talk to him. When I was talking to him, he looked nothing like you. All of a sudden, I didn't see this man, but it was like she had these spiritual eyes. And she goes, It was you. I was saying all this stuff, and I realized this word was for you. And she was I got done. My daughter, my teenage daughter was sitting standing next to me. She's 16. She said I had to explain it to my daughter. I told my daughter, and my daughter says, mom, no way. I saw Chad Holly, too. She knew in that moment, I think I have a word from God. Flofr chad so fast forward to the parentteacher conference. She says, I've got a word of the Lord for you. And I said, okay, I'm ready. She goes, and she knows nothing. 


 27:05

Chad
Josh she didn't know about my idea. I never talked to her about cancer. She says, Chad she goes, The Lord says, you're to start a network. Josh, it hit me so hard on the inside that physically on the outside, I changed. My eyes filled with tears, sweat went down my back, hair stood up on my arms. She says, the Lord says, the time is New York to build this network. I hear the word networking, networking. And I recorded it. I actually recorded it because it was so powerful. I knew something was powerful. From that moment josh and this is for the men out there, one of the things that we don't do, we don't move forward with something because honestly, we have fear. It could be a fear of failure, it could be fear of man, it could be fear of whatever. For me, it was fear of failure. 


 28:02

Chad
The fear of failure dropped off of me and it told, like, weight went off my shoulders and I felt released to move forward. That was earlier this year. 


 28:16

Josh Wilson
Super cool. Super cool. Super weird, right? And I say super weird, right? Because we're living in this world. These are, these are some of my beliefs. The guys in. The audience knows that, you know that I'm a Christian, know that I love God. I've used terms like I'm a king builder. They're like, what the h*** does that mean, Josh? Take time and we'll figure that out together. But it's weird, right? If you look back through history of time or any leader or whatever, even different religions, right? Like this idea of seeking supernatural guidance, meeting live in the world of Christians, we seek it from God, our Heavenly Father, right? Or we seek it through the Holy Spirit, we seek it through prophets. And it's weird, right? Especially if you're looking at it through the lens of what's normal or natural. If you look at other religions, right, you could look at, like, yogis who seek it from an internal or Buddhist or this or that, right? 


 29:09

Josh Wilson
Everyone is searching for some label of truth of, why the h*** am I here? And then, what's my purpose here? Right? 


 29:18

Chad
Yup. 


 29:19

Josh Wilson
You felt like you got it and your hair stood up on your back. It freaks you out, right? You're sweating. You record it, and you're going, okay, I got to live in. I'm no longer afraid. I'm all in. Yeah. You got the call, and you said this in the past, and I wish I would have recorded it in the past, but I'll have to bring it back. You said for the first time, I think you said live something like this. For the first time, I feel like I could hold God accountable. Yeah, you said that to me. I was like I wrote it down. I was like, that's an interesting thing. Make sure you ask him that later on. I could hold God accountable. You got a calling, you got a vision, you got some direction. For some guys in the audience are going to super resonate with us, and for some guys are going to hopefully search to find truth for themselves, and we'll give them away to connect with you later, to get the assessment and to connect with you. 


 30:08

Josh Wilson
For the first time, you said you feel like you could hold God accountable. What the heck do you mean by that? 


 30:16

Chad
I value my belief system on the Bible, and I think there's so much richness in there that I literally see things come to pass that were written, let's say, 20 years ago. I've literally seen miracles and that are written in the Bible. I've seen with my own eyes. In fact, I've physically taken my phone out and recorded these so that people can see them with their eyes for themselves and live. For example, I think it was Ray Lewis. No, not Ray Lewis. Sorry. Who was the football player that hit a girl in the elevator and got suspended? 


 31:05

Josh Wilson
I don't remember. 


 31:06

Chad
There was a story that came out, and this football player hit this woman in the elevator and I think he might have got live a small suspension. There was a video, and nobody really said anything about the suspension because they didn't really know how hard did he hit her or whatever. There was a video that came out, and when the video came out, it was intense and people were like, I mean, this guy got a big punishment and to see it is so much more powerful than to hear it. What I have done is I've seen these things and I record them. I have all kinds of videos of just these things I'm talking about. Because of that, I believe that there is a phrase that says he will fulfill his purpose in me. There's an important distinction because we come up with our own purposes. 


 32:06

Chad
I can't hold him accountable for what I feel my purpose is. If I hold him accountable for if he has a purpose for me and I know it, then I can say, all right, this is your purpose, so you are going to do it. I am not going to do it. If we have that revelation, then that's a revelation that I had. I said, okay, then you're going to do it, because I'm not. Because I've already tried in my own physical ability to keep cancer out of my body or to stay alive. And what I'm doing isn't satisfying. If you do it and I allow you to do it, and I come into agreement, then that's what gave me confidence. 


 32:49

Josh Wilson
I love having these conversations. I live it. I love it because what it's doing is it's challenging me, right? Because faith is something that I can't see. I can't see God, I can't see these things, yet I believe in them and I'm choosing to believe in them. I'm digging in deeper to learn more because we'll get into that probably another time. You're saying that there has been things that have been given to you, a calling, a personal calling, and you knew that you had to go all in and the family was behind you. You sought your mentors live. You're doing the wise part. I might hear something. I go act on it. I'm like, well, maybe I heard wrong. But you talked to wife about it. You got confirmation. You talk with other people got confirmation. You talk with advisors and coaches and people that you trust. 


 33:38

Josh Wilson
They said, green light, green light all the way around. So you said, okay, I'm all in. You get this first, that you're holding God accountable to his promise to you or his call to you or his purpose for you if you don't have it. Now, I hate to put you on the spot. Do you know what that verse is? 


 33:56

Chad
Yes, actually. We'll talk about this in a minute. It's hold on. It's the premise of our network. Pull it up. It is Psalms 138 eight. The Lord will fulfill his purpose with me. Yeah, that's what happened was and I don't know where you want to take this, but that's when I put the pedal to the metal after I got that word from her, is I knew. And here's the thing. When I got the word, what it did for me most was I knew the idea was from him versus my own because I struggled. I came home from Dallas, Texas, going and this is the part I forgot to say I came home with, oh, come on. You didn't hear from God. Oh, come on, you just want attention. Or, Come on, you were desperate for something because you were about to die. So that's what I was filled with. 


 35:03

Chad
When she gave me that, the boldness came over me and I said, oh, my word. Or I should say oh, my God. The idea came from God. And so then I went all in. I left. I'm no longer in the pharmaceutical industry. I created what's called the Nexus Mountain Network. I have I don't know how I did it, but because it was him, we have this beautiful state of the art app that can be downloaded on either Apple or Google Play. And it's called Nexus Mountain Network. It's called Nexus Mountain Network. What we do in there is phenomenal. We have it's there's a place for Live a Facebook, there's a place for Live a LinkedIn, which is that was one of my favorite parts because you can search anyone in the world based one of these mountain types. If you are in the business mountain, you can say, give me everyone in the network in the business mountain in North Carolina or the whole world or whatever. 


 36:07

Chad
We have podcasts like this, and we interview people who are what we call climbing the mountain because we want people to learn from those who said, I'm going to do it. I'm going to figure this out, and I'm going to go and this is what I did. This is what I learned. The other people are inspired to do it, too. The other thing that we're doing, we're actually having our first live meeting in Charlotte, North Carolina at an Alot Hotel. We're super excited about that because it's about the connection, it's about the learning, and it's about the cheating. I launched this on August 18 of this year on my birthday to celebrate my life versus death. And it was very intentional. We're already in 20 nations and we're growing, but we want to grow with quality, Josh. We're not interested in let's see how many people we can get. 


 37:04

Chad
We want quality over quantity. 


 37:07

Josh Wilson
When's your birthday? 


 37:09

Chad
August the 18th. 


 37:10

Josh Wilson
Happy birthday. I'll put it on my phone next year, I'll send you. 


 37:14

Chad
All right, that sounds good. When is yours? Let your audience know what you're doing. 


 37:17

Josh Wilson
Yeah. November 7. I want birthday gifts. I love gifts. 


 37:20

Chad
You're coming up? 


 37:21

Josh Wilson
Yeah, dude. 


 37:22

Chad
All right, everybody. November 7. 


 37:25

Josh Wilson
Take it. So why nexus? What does nexus mean? 


 37:30

Chad
So nexus means to connect or bind. That is really important to us because we don't want to be isolated, especially after COVID we became very isolated, disengaged. We became binge watching, and that's what we did. And so this is about connection. The word mountain in there is because of the seven mountains. And then this is a network. We're a network who happens to have a great app that is a tool to help us. 


 38:01

Josh Wilson
When you're looking at another dude, how do if he is dull on the inside or if he's lacking purpose? Right. Live we come across you've got a huge network through what you're building, and you come across people all the time. The best way to know something is I've been through it myself. You've gone through life, almost 50 years of lacking a driver, calling or purpose. Right. You were making money, taking care of your family, going into church and probably being great in the community and helping people, but you felt like you were missing the true calling. When you're looking at someone, how do if they're missing their calling? 


 38:39

Chad
I could simply ask, why do you exist? I've said that a couple of times. If they just don't even have a clue and I think a lot of us do. I mean, it's not abnormal to not have answer to that. I think event name someone like me who's motivated would have stumbled through it, or I probably would have had answer. I was so far from taking action. That I think maybe 35, 40% of men could probably say maybe give some type of answer. Or I could also say, what is it? When you do something, when do you feel most alive? That's another good question. They might be able to answer that one better. I can help them with that to say, okay, when you're doing something you feel most live when you're doing that thing, okay, let's focus on that because that might be leading you to your purpose and why you exist and then where the big piece is. 


 39:43

Chad
Okay, what do you do? What do you do about it? 


 39:46

Josh Wilson
You know what I see? Like I said, I'm just learning this stuff, and I'm 40. I've got three kids, a beautiful bride. I spend a lot of time with guys, right? I've got a show for guys, and I invest in men, and I spend a lot of time with guys. I do prison ministry and I'm around dudes a lot. I was a firefighter, paramedic, I wrestler, whatever. It doesn't matter. The thing that I see with guys is it feels like at the job or in life or even with your family or at church. We're walking around and we're like, dull. We go to a football game or whatever, and you will see guys tear off their shirts. You'll see guys yelling and screaming and get passionate about another guy with some other name on this back, and we will go to fights or I've seen this on golf courses. 


 40:34

Josh Wilson
Like, guys will get so alive. And I love that. I love that about men, right? If you're just coming live at a football game or a golfing event or something like that, and 99% of your other life is dull, you might have it a little backwards. We're cheering for another guy trying to take a piece of pig skin across the line. If that's the most exciting thing for me. I'm just saying that's a challenge that I had, and I had to look at my life and go, I used to love watching UFC, man. I loved it when the guy knocked the person out, and I love it when the smaller guy beats the bigger guy because I'm five foot £870. Like, I'm a tiny guy, right? If that makes me come fully alive and I'm dead throughout the week and for my family and all that, I said, there's something off with my purpose. 


 41:23

Josh Wilson
I have a tattoo on my arm. It says, who am I? I had to spend a lot of time to do that. As we're figuring this out and I love that you're sharing it with other people, that is so powerful. You and I are going to probably have many more talks in the future about this, but let me go here because we're running out of time, and I'm standing right now, so I'm moving around. A whole bunch of people watching on YouTube, they might see me bouncing around. I'm getting surgery Thursday on my knee, so I have to stand and move around . 


 41:50

Chad
You look fine to me. 


 41:51

Josh Wilson
Thanks, man. I'm not wearing pants right now, but I'm just kidding. Since we're running out of time, I've got to ask you a few more questions because I think this is so vital. Now that you have your purpose, do you think that you had your family, you had reason to live, but now you got this calling. Reason to live and drive for success or drive for calling? What's the difference? Or is there a difference, or is it fuel on the fire live? What are your thoughts? 


 42:24

Chad
I think they're kind of the same. I will say this is that when I'm doing it, everything else is better, too. I'll say this to men about their marriages. My marriage is better. My relationship with my kids are better. I have my mind, my mental state. This is huge. My mental state is better. I'm thankful. Whether you're a Christian or not, if you are thankful your mind is different. You're focused on the positive things that are going on in your life versus, oh, man, my wife's nagging me again, or she's spending all my money or my kids screwed up again, or My car sucks, whatever, my boss. I mean, it's a shift in the mindset. It is. That will really change. It really changes everything in life. You'll see it that way. 


 43:21

Josh Wilson
Yeah. It's so true. I've had probably more jobs than most because my whole life I've been chasing and trying to figure this crap out of who Josh is and what's my place in this world and why am I here. Some days it's just to put diapers on my baby's butts live. I get it. I had to dig holes with posthole digger and I've had to move heavy furniture. That was a part of probably why many hurts. But I get that. So that is a reason. But that only goes so long. But there's this internal drive. There's this internal calling that I'm trying to figure out. As you get this, you say everything else kind of becomes better, too. When I show up home from work and I'm excited, I treat my kids different, I treat my wife different when I show up and I'm just like in the grind of life, just trying to pay the bills and remove the eviction notice from the door or try to make the dollar so I could pay that. 


 44:16

Josh Wilson
Live. I'm telling you, it's hard to show up fully. Live for my family. Chad this is good, man. Chad during this Internet, there's going to be other conversations in the future, but during this specific interview, there's probably a question that I should have asked you. What question should I have asked you? It can't be this way to find me. We'll get to that. 


 44:39

Chad
No question. 


 44:39

Josh Wilson
Should I be that? 


 44:40

Chad
That's not what I was thinking. 


 44:41

Josh Wilson
Yeah. 


 44:48

Chad
I think you did a good job. The only other thing is this is not a Christian podcast. It's just a podcast, but with men. I don't mean the word just. I just think that some of the stuff that I said about hearing that sound, that's going to sound strange to a lot of people, hearing the voice of God or being released or this lady giving me this word. I will tell you, I have pursued this concept that God speaks my entire live. I have been so rewarded that I'm going to tell you right now, if you haven't done it is fun. It makes my life so fun to see the variety of ways that he speaks. The one question would be is, how do he speaks? It's too long of answer. But I know that he does. I have evidence that he does. The way that was written a long time ago that he did and I'm seeing it today, it's not just a history lesson. 


 45:54

Chad
That, to me, is my guiding light, and I'm so thankful that he does. And he doesn't just speak to me. He's always speaking to all of us, whether you're a Christian or not, he loves all of us. 


 46:08

Josh Wilson
Super cool. Chad for the guys in the audience who are like, okay, I want to start peeling into this because I'm interested, I'm curious, I need to dive more. They would love to also find out what their sphere influence might be. It might not even be spiritual for them, but they go, hey, I'd love to learn more about myself. Where can I go to find your seven mountain assessment? 


 46:31

Chad
So it's absolutely free. You can download the Nexus Mountain Network app, and in that app, there's a folder for learning. There's some small little trainings and stuff that are just in line with this topic. Also in there, you can touch on it. You can do it right on your phone. You can do the assessment, and the assessment will actually tell you what your primary and secondary mountains are. Also it will give you a description of all of them, including, okay, this is my mountain. What is a biblical example of this? Is that even biblical? Give me an example of a modern day example. What are some professions that I could be pursuing that are aligned with these mountains? And it's all in there. It's all free. 


 47:13

Josh Wilson
Super cool. They can find that on Apple or Google, the Google Play or Apple Store, and then download the app. It's Nexus. Nexus Mountain Network. 


 47:27

Chad
Yes, Nexus Mountain Network. All three words. You'll find it once you start typing it in. 


 47:31

Josh Wilson
Super cool. Super cool. Super cool. When you look back in the future. Chad you and I are hanging out. We're now 80 years old, and we're looking back and we're going, man, we did it. We lived our purpose, right? We maybe accomplished it in our lifetime, and we're handing it off to someone else. How do you know you won? 


 47:51

Chad
I'll see it in my kids, and that's such an easy answer. I'll see it and others that I influenced. When I see my kids, I have to model for my kids, especially right now. Josh in this world is wacky. If my kids can see their dad take risk, their dad pursue why they exist and they're doing it, and then that means it's a multi generational gift. I'm 80 and I'm a grandpa or grandkids, and they're living that life because I fought through adversity with my father, and my father didn't live that life, I was kicked out of my house when I was 17 years old, and I was determined to do it differently. That's why I'll know I'll look back and I'll say, Yep, that was right. Yeah. 


 48:48

Josh Wilson
It's amazing that you're talking about this, because I was just doing Journal today, talking about what is true generational wealth, what is legacy, what are these things? I looked at it for a long time. I look at the real estate portfolio I'm handing over to you or the opportunities I'm live, man, that those things are good, but it doesn't really excite me. God's, just revelation. I'm starting to see live. No, this thing called Legacy is more about live mindset, belief systems, identity, internal success. And I'm like that. I want to see my kids more than any money I could give them, right? I don't care if they're swinging hammers and digging ditches, if they know inside who they are, that's success and that's generational wealth and that's legacy and that's what I want to invest. It sounds like that's how you measure success too. Super cool. 


 49:38

Chad
I'll add one last thing about legacy. Legacy for me is eternal what happens when we leave this earth. If I can affect the outcome of eternity with my next generation, then I know that I was successful. 


 50:00

Josh Wilson
Super awesome. Guys, I love you. Thank you for listening. Uncensored Advice for Men if you are working on an issue in your life and you'd like to talk about it, don't just struggle on it alone. Like, I've talked to guys about all sorts of stuff ranging from p*** addictions, drug addictions, depression, suicide. If you'd like to talk about it or with any of my guests about it, you could always head over Uncensored Advice flofr for Men.com. Fill out a quick form and we'll get you plugged in with someone in the community or someone one of the past guests or maybe you have something to share with guys. This is a platform that you'd like to do it. Same place. Fill out a quick form and maybe get you on the show next. I love you guys. This is for you. Talk to you in the next episode. 


 50:43

Josh Wilson
Bye. 

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Chad Hawley

NEXUS Mountain Network

Chad has been married to Wendy for 24 years and have four amazing children. He have been in business for over 20 years with a Master’s Degree in Business Administration. He has a lot of experiences as an entrepreneur and corporate America. Chad had very successful career in the pharmaceutical industry in sales, management, marketing, and training. In that time he was a national sales trainer for the 2nd largest pharmaceutical company in the world. I left the Pharma industry on May the 6th, to pursue my calling as the founder of the NEXUS Mountain Network.